Let's talk witchcraft and wizardry, HP and the Half Blood Prince

[KeeperOfThePhoenix]

WARNING! If you haven't yet finished Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince, and you don't want details, GO NO FURTHER!

As mentioned by Charmed Cabbage there are some of us ready to discuss the details of the book and we don't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't reached the shocking conclusion.

Ok guys this is the start of an awesome thread!!!!!!!!!!!

[KeeperOfThePhoenix]

Is Professor Dumbledore really dead?

I'm not sure. I need to re-read pages 552- the end of "The Lightening Struck Tower" There may be clues there that I missed.

It makes sense though if he really is dead. Harry and only Harry can kill the Dark Lord. He has battled him by himself 4 times prior to the incident at the Minestry of Magic.

I want to know who RAB is!

[charmed_cabbage]

oh cool you made the thread! I wasnt sure, but all good! thanks :D oooh erm, ah lil_angel05 has a theory about RAB, ill let her share it with everyone!
I cant believe that Dumbledore is dead! but, like you said, its harry that has to finish voldermort off, and the way thier private lessons had come to and end, he had taught harry all he had wanted to. However is seems not only sad, obviously, but harry still doesnt know enough magic does he, like just genral magic, well i dont think he does.

Another thing, are ron and hermione (sorry sp!?) going to help him? like i said in the other post, he first shook them off, said no, but then he seemed to agree, but the last paragraph made it seem like he was actually going to go it alone?? I know a certain amount has to be just harry, but surely he will need the help of them and the order etc? I am i reading too much into that and geting paranoid??? i think i probably am lol!

[KeeperOfThePhoenix]

Remember that Dumbledore allowed Harry to keep Ron and Hermione in the information loop. He also kept reinforceing the fact that good friends are important. Hopefully Harry will remember what the ?late? Professor told him.

I think the Order will be in the next book, but probably not as much. The final battle comes down to Harry and Voldomort.

I can't hardly stand the fact that we have to wait at least 2 yrs before we know anything else.

My husband and I went to a Harry Potter party Friday night. It was an absolute trip. I dressed up as ProfessorTrelawney. There were all kinds of witches and wizards, Gryffindors and Slytherins. Dumbledore was there and someone even dressed up as a Dementor!

If there is a party near any of you when the next book comes out, I highly reccomend going to the party.! Then go to the nearest 24 hr. Wal-Mart and get the book for 50% off the cover price. But make sure you get there by midnight, or they just might be sold out by the time you get there!

[charmed_cabbage]

hehehe wow Harry Potter party! coolness! Im actualy considering going at midnight next time, i meant i got the book fine this time, but i really want to read the next one already!!!

Thats true, he did say keep them in the loop!

And another thing! I very much doubt that Snape will be returning for the Defence against dark arts job! Meaning 7 different teachers! Although, if they are'nt going back to Hogwarts anyway, it doesnt really matter does it!

[firebolt888]

I'm sure Harry will let Hermione and Ron tag along it's not like he's ever had control over what they do.
"The Pheobix Lament" and "The White Tomb" were so beautifully written. I haven't been able to stop crying since I stopped reading it.
I'd love to hear the theory on R.A.B. Until I find out who they are I seem to be holding a part of Dumbledores death their fault, not a lot but it does mean Dumbledore was weak for nothing.

C.

[geekazoid]

I think it was the wrong thing for JK to do. I mean, Dumbledore is the only one who voldemort was ever afraid of, with him dead the school will have to close, there is no one who can protect the students. I also think snape is good, i think that he made an uinbreakable vow with dumbledore to kill him when needed because he was always going on about how harry's life was worth more than his. I think it would be too obvious for snape to be evil.

[salsal]

i personally dont think that dumbledore is dead. dont ask me how it would work but i dont think that he is. i also have to agree with geekazoid about snape being good. i mean why would snape kill him now if he was evil when he had plenty of chance before to do it.

[every1s_charmed]

i think he is dead and i don't think he told snape to do it. snape has always been evil but he thought his master was dead and he had it pretty comfy up in hogwarts so he didn't want to leave it. i hope harry ron and hermoine go back to hogwarts next year because it wouldn't be right if they didn't
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[lil_angel05]

Hey! as Charmed_Cabbage said I have a theory as to who RAB is.
I think its Regulus Black - Sirius' brother. I mean it would make sense. Even though we think hes dead, i think its him. Maybe he even has a horcrux of his own?
Another theory is that Dumbledore knew that Malfoy was gonna kill him and when he pleads with Snape, i think he wasa pleading for Snape to kill him coz he knew what would happen to Malfoy if he didnt finish the task. I dont think Dumbledore would plead for his life.

My aunt reckons that maybe harry is one of Voldemort's horcruxes. I dunno...

luv laura
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[salsal]

My aunt reckons that maybe harry is one of Voldemort's horcruxes. I dunno...

luv laura
xxx

i never thought of that, i guess that would make some sense

[Charmed_Geek]

Yay! Finally some people who read the book aswell... Since it is not out in Dutch yet, there are very few people I know that have read it. I was really depressed when Dumbledore died... And killed by Snape??? Well I guess that was a bit obvious, Snape was evil.. Too bad, I like his voice (in the movies, obviously). I wonder what is going to happen to Malfoy, you think Voldemort's gonna kill him? And, bigger question, is Hogwart's going to stay or you think JK Rowling is going to write about Harry, Ron and Hermoine going after Voldermort, because, I kinda liked the whole school-thing. Oh well, can't hardly wait for the next book, I hope it's less depressing than this one... Darn, why did she have to kill Dumbledore????

[KeeperOfThePhoenix]

I don't know whether Dumbledore is dead or not. Remember he said that he sent copies of himself to different places? He knew it was dangerous to look for the horux' so why would he put his real self in danger? But then again JKR did warn us that someone major would die.

As to Snape's goodness, I think he's caught between a rock and a hard place. He is the perfect double agent. Where his allegiance lies? I think it is with Dumbledore and the Order. He protected everyone who answered the call to the fight in the hallway before Mallfoy got up to Dumbledores office. He showed his allegiance to the good guys there. So many could have died.

He had to make the Unbreakable vow with Narcissa to protect his status within the Deatheaters.

I think ultimately we will see that Severus Snape is actually a good guy.

[ILuvPheebsAlyssa]

I just finished reading the book, and I was so shocked! I couldn't stop crying! It was just so well written! But I do believe Dumbledore's dead... And killed by Snape, what was worse!

And I read bout the DADA teacher. Dumbledore did mention that he couldn't keep a teacher more than a year on it after he refused to hire Voldemort. The place's cursed after all... I just wonder if McGonagall will stay as Headmistress or if the school's really going to be closed!

We can only guess now

[lil_angel05]

I just finished reading the book, and I was so shocked! I couldn't stop crying! It was just so well written! But I do believe Dumbledore's dead... And killed by Snape, what was worse!

And I read bout the DADA teacher. Dumbledore did mention that he couldn't keep a teacher more than a year on it after he refused to hire Voldemort. The place's cursed after all... I just wonder if McGonagall will stay as Headmistress or if the school's really going to be closed!

We can only guess now

Yeah i think McGonagall would make a good headmistress if she stayed on and if hogwarts opens! Hogwarts has to open! lol
luv laura
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[KeeperOfThePhoenix]

I was watching Sorcerer's Stone tonight and saw something that might tell us Snape's true nature.

Igrabbed the book and on pg.126 of the paperback it says.......

"It happened very suddenly. The hook-nosed teacher looked past Quirrell's turban straight into Harry's eyes--and a sharp, hot pain shot across the scar on Harry's forhead"

We know that when ever LV is near or feeling particullarly hateful that Harry's scar burns.

Is the scar tied directly to Voldomort? Or is it merely a "hate detector"? If it just a detector why wouldn't it go off around Malfoy as well?

Or was Snape's true allegiance revieled to us in the very first encounter, in the very first book?

[ILuvPheebsAlyssa]

I was watching Sorcerer's Stone tonight and saw something that might tell us Snape's true nature.

Igrabbed the book and on pg.126 of the paperback it says.......

"It happened very suddenly. The hook-nosed teacher looked past Quirrell's turban straight into Harry's eyes--and a sharp, hot pain shot across the scar on Harry's forhead"

We know that when ever LV is near or feeling particullarly hateful that Harry's scar burns.

Is the scar tied directly to Voldomort? Or is it merely a "hate detector"? If it just a detector why wouldn't it go off around Malfoy as well?

Or was Snape's true allegiance revieled to us in the very first encounter, in the very first book?


This was a coincidence. If you remember, Voldemort was using Quirrell. And he was, literally, on Quirrell's head (or under his turbant). So, when Snape looked past Quirrell's turbant straight into Harry, what made Harry's scar to hurt was Voldemort, and not Snape. It was just a coincidence and Rowling put it there so we would think Snape was after the stone. I don't know whether Snape's good or bad yet, and I have to re-read the book to understand it a bit better, but I do have some theories lol
Oh, and about the R.A.B. theory. Someone mentioned to believe it was Regulus Black. I don't believe it was him, cause according to Sirius, "He backed out when they asked him to do some things" and that "He wasn't that important to be killed by Voldemort himself".

There's this website called MuggleNet, and they have wonderful editorials with the craziest and most awesome theories about everything. If you'd like to check it out: www.mugglenet.com (http://www.mugglenet.com)

[smarty610]

Wow, I just finished the book, and let me just say I'm in complete shock at the moment. I can't believe JK killed off Dumbledore. That was definitely the last thing I expected. I think he really is dead, tho I'm not sure about Snape at the moment. I haven't really had time to think that part thru yet. But everyone's theories are very interesting. Anyway, I can't wait for the next book to come out. I hope it doesn't really take two years. I don't think any of us can wait that long.
-Sam

[Danny_2003]

finished about an hour ago, and I'm totally in suspense. (JK really does that to me.) I read the first 2 in a row, cos I had them all straight away (bout give years after they came out.) Four and five were a while apart, and by five I couldn'y wait till 6.

But I can't believe Dumbledore is dead. He could possibly come back, as JK mentioned that Dumbledore could do that. Although, Sirius would come back too.

So Harry's not going to go to school next book? It would be pretty bad. Why did JK mention strawberry jam? There must be a reason for that if she mentioned it. Maybe it's a way of him coming back to Harry or something...?

And I can't believe Snape is The HBP. I always thought of him as a true wizard.

And JK's writing has gotten better. I womnder if she'll do more writing?

Danny

[charmed*cabbage]

I don't know whether Dumbledore is dead or not. Remember he said that he sent copies of himself to different places? He knew it was dangerous to look for the horux' so why would he put his real self in danger? But then again JKR did warn us that someone major would die.

As to Snape's goodness, I think he's caught between a rock and a hard place. He is the perfect double agent. Where his allegiance lies? I think it is with Dumbledore and the Order. He protected everyone who answered the call to the fight in the hallway before Mallfoy got up to Dumbledores office. He showed his allegiance to the good guys there. So many could have died.

He had to make the Unbreakable vow with Narcissa to protect his status within the Deatheaters.

I think ultimately we will see that Severus Snape is actually a good guy.


what is that about copies of dumbledore? :S and i didnt know there was a warning about a death! I heard last time, about sirius, but not this time.

Im not decided either way about snape, i still think he is evil, but i guess i could be presuaded, after all some of the things he has done have been good.. but im not sure!

danny.. yeah i had the first three to read i thing, and then i had to wait for the 4th, and 5th, and 6th, and am waiting already!!! but yeah, now i cant believe i didnt read them straight away, because they were around, i just never read them, but now im like aaaaah give me the next book! lol what was the strawberry jam about? did i miss that? well i cant remember everything now, so hmmm.

i sooo cant wait for the next book... i also hope it doesnt take two years! I definately cant wait that long!!!! :(

[4wheelersRox91]

I think Harry is a horcrux, too. It's why he has always been able to sense Voldemort's presence and emotions.

[smarty610]

I don't think Harry's a horcrux. Voldemort was trying to kill him, so there'd be no point in him making Harry a horcrux. I think one of the books something about Voldemort accidentally transferring a little of himself to Harry when he tried killing him tho. So that would explain Harry being able to feel Voldemort's presence and everything. Just my opinion.
-Sam

[geekazoid]

I think Harry is a horcrux, too. It's why he has always been able to sense Voldemort's presence and emotions.

but a horcrux is part of your soul, and harry could't live with his soul and part of someone else's in him, it would have killed him. I definetly think snape is good, it is way to easy to think he is evil, but i do agree that maybe sirius's brother willl be in it, or even dumbledore's???