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ThePhoenix

10-01-2005, 07:31 AM

AshleyE

10-01-2005, 06:42 PM

Very well said Phoenix, I strongly agree with what you said, I support what we have done in the war on terror and will continue to do so.

God Bless America

Our nation (The United States) is a peace loving Democracy, We do not like to go to war and we are slow to provocation.
But when we are provoked to the point where we must pick up our sword, it is not easy for us to forgive the enemy for having to put us in this situation.
The fact of this provocation has then become the issue in itself.

Our people fight in anger, and we will fight for the very reason that we were forced to go to war. When our nation was attacked on 911 in our own front yard, how can we ever allow this to happen again? So we will take this war they have created back to them. And we have done so in Afghanistan. This is a war on terror. We did not ask for it. It came to us.

Terror lives all over the world and we cannot succeed in this alone. This war is not just our war, it is yours whether you like it or not, it is your war too. Do not let them win you over, stand up and fight for the right to live in peace. There are people who blame our government policies for the cause of this hatred towards us, that is their right, but it is not a reason to kill so many of our own people.

As I stated before, we fight because we have been provoked, and we are angry. We have, and we will, fight this. With or without the support of those who do not agree.

Billygoat

10-01-2005, 06:45 PM

"Our nation (The United States) is a peace loving Democracy,"

The United States is a Republic, which over the years has given way to Democratic tendencies:

THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION
Article. IV.
Section. 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Main differnce in my eyes between the two is one is for rule of law, where a minorities rights are more important than the majoritys, the other is for rule by mob, most votes gets it, even if it is wrong.

"We do not like to go to war and we are slow to provocation.
But when we are provoked to the point where we must pick up our sword, it is not easy for us to forgive the enemy for having to put us in this situation.
The fact of this provocation has then become the issue in itself."

Watch out so ya don't take it to far, extereme passive aggressive behavior can be a bad thing.

Nun Terrorized by Terror Watch:

http://tinyurl.com/926fe

TSA Stops Babies Whose Names Match No-Fly Lists:

http://tinyurl.com/d4w5s

Mccarthyism was not a good thing.

http://tinyurl.com/dlzdd

Worse is it not being the Government, but the common people:

http://tinyurl.com/dgwvz

Most important part of SAGs' article:

" What I find heartening about the SAG statement is that it recognizes the importance of remembering that history, and being determined not to repeat it."

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin

Is this war about terror anymore?
Was it to start with?
Where is Bin Laden?
Does anybody even remember who Bin laden is?
Weapons of mass destruction?
Bad, horrible Dictator Saddam Hussein?
What about bad, horrible Communist Dictator Castro?(Wait, he doesn't have any oil, my bad)
Where is line between protecting ourselves and Empirically ruling the World?
Yes, shooting them cause they shot us is good, this will end the cause of thier anger.

What is the cause of thier anger?

"Terror lives all over the world "

Yes, in my own backyard even, even in my own life, ... and yours also.
That's why Homeland Security and related bureaucracies should have carte blanche to all of your records and keep track of your movments day and night.

Especially yours, as I don't know you, and in times like this we should be suspicious of all strangers.
(sarcasm galore there)

This is the perfect "War" to just toss out The Constitution on simply on the fact that the "Enemy" is unknown and faceless.
Oh wait, that has already been done:

http://tinyurl.com/4lsx

Sleeper cells?
Fine, ya know of them, you obviously have proof of thier being "Sleeper cells".
Go out and arrest thier butts!
Don't just tell us about them on the nightly hate (oops, meant "nightly news").

Got people who would be a BIG help in locating your supposed #1 suspect?
Good, keep them and get what info from them that you can; Don't send them back home:

http://tinyurl.com/dfd9s

Thats just stoopid.
(intentional misspelling)

Caution, oxymoronic phrase coming up....

" stand up and fight for the right to live in peace. "

Yes, it all makes sense now
War=Peace

"There are people who blame our government policies for the cause of this hatred towards us, that is their right, but it is not a reason to kill so many of our own people."

What did ya say there?

http://tinyurl.com/rrkj

Americans are asking, why do they hate us? They hate what we see right here in this chamber -- a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.

George W. Bush

"we fight because we have been provoked, and we are angry."

Are yoiu sure we're not fighting these people just because the Powers That Be said to?
Reallly sure?
Really really sure?
Got any proof?

"With or without the support of those who do not agree."
I know that sounds familar from somewhere or another....

http://tinyurl.com/9fb2n

Nice way to live, no tolerence, my way or the highway.

And we wonder how things got like this.

ThePhoenix

10-01-2005, 09:59 PM

Very well said Phoenix, I strongly agree with what you said, I support what we have done in the war on terror and will continue to do so.

God Bless AmericaThank you AshleyE. The price of freedom can and is a high price to pay, and I for one am willing to pay it.

rocco

10-02-2005, 09:07 AM

I support the war on terror.The cowardly attack of 9/11 that killed innocent civilians regardless of race or religion proves that they are people not fighting for Jihad or so call holy war.Its not in the teaching of Islam to harm innocent lives.The terrorist mask their evil intentions by using the term Jihad n it had sadly managed to influence some of the people.Jihad comes in many forms n killing innocent are not part of it.They have violated n twisted the teaching of Islam.I feel sad because of their actions,Islam or Muslims are being seen as a violent religion or people.I therefore support the efforts of United States on supressing n destroying terrorism that not only threatened our way of lives,humanity but our freedom.

Zanderi1

10-02-2005, 07:24 PM

I can't say that I supported the war in Iraq. The main reason was an immediate thread by weapons of mass destruction, which later and now confirmed there is none blamed on bad intelligence. However, 9/11 changed things it was a really sad day when freedom was attacked. :( . I believe that if instead of launching wars we continued to live in resilience, continue to live in freedom, thats much stronger than going to war. When our forces are fighting abroad it weakens us at home, and if we are weaker at defense at home then we are more prone to attack.

In Britain for example, our forces are allies with the United States in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, our leader promised that we would be stronger and we would be safer for launching these two wars. Then a couple of years later London is attacked in the biggest terrorist attack since the Lockerbie plane bombing in 1988. This proves that we have taken our eye off the ball, we are no longer facing enemies abroad, but at home too. We are facing an enemy which we are blind to as how are we supposed to prevent home grown terrorists?

geekazoid

10-03-2005, 10:24 AM

I have to diagree phoenix, yes you were attacked by al qaida, but how your president managed to get from that to iraq i'll never know. You country is killing innocent children, how can you justify that?

In Britain for example, our forces are allies with the United States in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, our leader promised that we would be stronger and we would be safer for launching these two wars. Then a couple of years later London is attacked in the biggest terrorist attack since the Lockerbie plane bombing in 1988. This proves that we have taken our eye off the ball, we are no longer facing enemies abroad, but at home too. We are facing an enemy which we are blind to as how are we supposed to prevent home grown terrorists?

I also disagree with this, the attacks were inevitable, bothing to do with iraq, as phoenix said 9/11 happened before iraq, it was just a matter of time

Billygoat

10-07-2005, 02:16 PM

Talking about taking it to far, Penn Station closed for a pop bottle, since when should Americans be this darned Parinoid?

http://tinyurl.com/8cp7q

" A discarded soda bottle filled with an unidentified green liquid was found at the station during morning rush hour, Amtrak officials said. The substance did not pose a threat to passengers and was removed for testing."

Now this has got to be the stupidest this whole "Oh no the whole world is evil, suspect everyone and everything" post 9/11 stuff I have seen. Shutting down Penn Station over a discarded pop bottle?!
I want to know if that was a soda bottle filled with Mountain Dew, and that is what the "unidentified green liquid" was. Talk about "Colorful Wording" to make a story sell, crimminies.

Will this be Tommorows headline:

"Whoopie Cushion Caused Quite a Terrifying Stink At the PGA Tour Today"
Tiger Woods was quoted as saying "It was terrifying to hear, just as I was making the swing for Eagle on the 18th hole.
Darn terrorists made me lose the tournament!"

And don't tell me that how rediculousthat sounds after Todays Real Headline Should have read:

"Penn Station shut down for an abandoned pop bottle."

I shouls research this stuff more before I start ranting, it just gets worse, apperantly littering is now Terrorist activity:
(so should they, half what I read is "Pop bottle" the other is "Soda can", which is it kids?)
http://tinyurl.com/bxygz

Police cordoned off a section of Penn Station after reports of two suspicious items, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told reporters.

'One was a suspicious package that turned out to be trash, the other was a green bottle. In that bottle was a dye and an acid. It looks like a prank,' Kelly said.

(Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Mountain Dew consist mostly of water, acids and a little dye?)
This is just sad.

There is being watchful, then there is just being rediculously parinoid.

Nobdy is perfect. I can see the poor soul who left a bit of garbage doing life in prison now for something this silly, that is really sad. :(

And while I'm at it:

Was that even the truth of what happenned?

http://slate.msn.com/id/2126479/

You Can't Handle the Truth
Psy-ops propaganda goes mainstream.

"The government faces a dilemma: It needs people to stay home, but if the news breaks, mass panic might ensue as people flee the city, carrying the virus with them.

A shadowy media firm steps in to help orchestrate a sophisticated campaign of mass deception. Rather than alert the public to the smallpox threat, the company sets up a high-tech "ops center" to convince the public that an accident at a chemical plant threatens London. As the fictitious toxic cloud approaches the city, TV news outlets are provided graphic visuals charting the path of the invisible toxins. Londoners stay indoors, glued to the telly, convinced that even a short walk into the streets could be fatal."

Maybe what ya need is a better educated public?

Nah, that sounds a little to much like common sense.

Or for those others; It would take to much time and money to do that let alone be really, realllyy commplicated, and besides, I don't want the ability to criticaly analyze situations, I just want somebody else to think for me.

Billygoat

10-15-2005, 02:27 PM

Talking about taking it to far,

There is being watchful, then there is just being rediculously parinoid.

Again:

There is being watchful, then there is just being rediculously parinoid.

http://www.alternet.org/walmart/26503/#thumbtack

"I blame Wal-Mart more than anybody," she says. "I was really disgusted with them. But everyone was using poor judgment, from Wal-Mart up to the Secret Service."
( my bold )

Was this really poor judgement? Or was it Harper Valley PTA kinda thinking gone horribly awry?
(Harper Valley PTA: Linky for Lyrics (http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/loretta_lynn/harper_valley_p_t_a.html)
If it was perfectly reasonable in your eyes for the Walmart employee to refer this to the proper officials then what should be done about this photo:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3006/disasters1fc.jpg

?
Does this now make Ireland a suspect terrorist state?

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/disaster.asp

"War on Terror Part Deux: Curse of the Little people?!"

http://show.imagehosting.us/show/807065/0/nouser_807/T0_-1_807065.jpg

They're trying to take down the US economy by hoarding gold! Stop them now! Before it's to late!

How far are you willing to take this?

I really don't like Susan Powders myself; and it's used out of context, but:

"Stop the Insanity!"

Billygoat

10-21-2005, 04:38 PM

OOOHHHHHH!!!!

Lookie! They found yet another <cough hack>terrorist<HACK cough>

http://tinyurl.com/bts8l

"BOAZ, Ala. (AP) — A Boaz High School freshman who wrote an essay proposing a "Killer Day" when everyone would be allowed to kill two people to relieve stress has been charged with making a terrorist threat.

The 14-year-old girl, who also wrote that she wanted to kill President Bush, was arrested last week and is scheduled for a Nov. 1 hearing. Court officials declined to release her name or provide other information Wednesday, citing the confidentiality rules of Alabama's youthful offender law.

Boaz Police Chief Terry Davis said students were to write an essay in an English class last week on a new federal holiday they would like to see Congress pass.
Davis said the teacher who read the 14-year-old's essay gave it to Principal Lowell Smith and Assistant Principal Judy Bollinger after reading it. The police chief said a decision was made to press charges after the matter was referred to city schools Superintendent Leland Dishman and other system officials.

"I don't know if it was a joke," Davis told The Huntsville Times. "But if it was, it was done in bad taste."

Davis said police also notified the U.S. Secret Service in Birmingham, which asked for a copy of the letter and planned to interview the teenager.

Authorities placed the student in the Coosa Valley Detention Center in Anniston Thursday night. She was released to her parents on Friday and had a preliminary hearing before District Judge Howard Hawk, who appointed an attorney for her. Court officials declined to release the name of the lawyer."

Yeah, I've never known a kid to do sumpthin stoopid. :rolleyes:

They should have been talked to, but charged with Terrorism? Get a grip.

Oh, and while I'm at it, I just saw this following article yesterday and was thinking to myself "This could never happen in America; Thank Goodness".....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4361508.stm

"Miss Urlayeva was arrested in August for allegedly distributing political pamphlets with a caricature of the Uzbek coat of arms.

She was sent for psychiatric evaluation but was declared sane.

At that point, HRW said in a statement, Miss Urlayeva should have been released.

Instead she was sent for further evaluation at a more severe hospital.

This time she was declared insane and a court issued an order for her to undergo forcible treatment. "

Yep, thinking different than what the government wants you to is now certifiably insane.... in Uzbek anyways.

Don't take the anti terrorist stand to too much of a fault, or we'll end up in the same sorry state here in the US.

There is being watchful, then there is just being rediculously parinoid.

Scollzie

10-27-2005, 02:03 PM

There's a funny thing about war (not that it's funny but rather wierd), and that is that it's not a game and when it gets down to the battlegrounds of politics, there are no rules.

Let's have a look at a few wars around the world. Oh, let's all choose whichever ones we want... but first choose one that's rather recent, and one where your country wasn't involved in any way.

Now, here's a little exercise for you to do:
1) Pick a side.
2) Research a bit into that side, and list reasons why "your" side is right, and why "you" are provocated to war, and why you're going to win.
3) Now, once you've convinced yourself that the side you arbitrarily chose is right and just in its cause - SWAP SIDES!
Yup! Swap sides... this is why I'm saying for you to choose a recent war where your own country had nothing to do with it, so that you can be as objective in this exercise as possible.
4) Now, repeat steps 2) and 3) above, this time applying it to the other side - "your" (new) side.

If you've done this exercise with a bit of gusto, then you'll start to notice something. If you're a bit shocked, and don't believe the result, then try another one too if you want!

Another interesting little thought to ponder: Whoever wins the war is right - the loser is wrong, and was wrong right from the beginning! :rolleyes: Strange, but true... think about it! :D

geekazoid

10-30-2005, 07:37 AM

i agree with you, doing that excercise was really interesting, it's true...history is written by the winners

Billygoat

11-02-2005, 02:48 PM

from_London

11-02-2005, 03:12 PM

Our nation (The United States) is a peace loving Democracy, We do not like to go to war and we are slow to provocation.
But when we are provoked to the point where we must pick up our sword, it is not easy for us to forgive the enemy for having to put us in this situation.
The fact of this provocation has then become the issue in itself.

Our people fight in anger, and we will fight for the very reason that we were forced to go to war. When our nation was attacked on 911 in our own front yard, how can we ever allow this to happen again? So we will take this war they have created back to them. And we have done so in Afghanistan. This is a war on terror. We did not ask for it. It came to us.

Terror lives all over the world and we cannot succeed in this alone. This war is not just our war, it is yours whether you like it or not, it is your war too. Do not let them win you over, stand up and fight for the right to live in peace. There are people who blame our government policies for the cause of this hatred towards us, that is their right, but it is not a reason to kill so many of our own people.

As I stated before, we fight because we have been provoked, and we are angry. We have, and we will, fight this. With or without the support of those who do not agree.

i agree with you on the war on terror, i think the whole world needs to get together because there is no way u (unitied states) could do it alone it will just take to long. Every one is a victim, we have 11/09 , madrid train bombings, London july 7th tube bombings and the recent one in the resturant ( i cannot remeber where it was) and many more..

Although i do not agree with the Iraq war, that was just a waste of time, there was no WMDs , so what was the point interfing with another country. If there is more to the war than WMDs, could someone please tell me :rolleyes:

Scollzie

11-03-2005, 12:08 PM

'Bout time:

http://tinyurl.com/9sghb
Quote from article:
"How would you like it if I did that to you?"

Really people, when 63 year old women are gettin searched as suspected terrorists it has gone way to far.

At least she knew it, how about you?

Do you think it is just "Proper Procedure" to pat down elderly women, nuns and babies at the airport because they may be terrorists?

(well maybe the babies are legit, I hear they can be little terrors at times.... ;) )

Funnily enough, it's the babies you've most got to worry about!!! Out of all the babies in this world will come the next generation of terrorists. This thing will never end unless peace and reconcilliation gets reached and those babies don't get trained up into the next set of terrorists.
Terrorist minds aren't that of madmen - they're very calculating, as we've seen evidence of, and the motives lie in politics. Sort out the politics, strive toward peace & reconcilliation, educate the babies and break this not-so-merry-go-round.

I bomb your daddy, so you bomb mine, so I bomb your mommy, so you bomb mine, and so forth ad nauseum. How many more generations must still suffer this?
The other problem is that terrorism is pretty much a hidden enemy - it's really less overt even than guerilla warfare. You can't fight it with conventional warfare.
Find middle-ground with the Arab world that will make both sides happy, and we'll have made one giant leap toward curbing terrorism. We really need to see some peace in Israel for starts! How long must that situation still go on?

That's what I think anyway. Put it this way... after boasting so much superior firepower, have we actually stopped terrorism at all? Even a tad? I honestly think we'll run out of ammunition before we stop terrorism by force. The problem lies in politics. Address it!

Billygoat

05-13-2006, 11:10 AM

Oh, and while I'm at it, I just saw this following article yesterday and was thinking to myself "This could never happen in America; Thank Goodness".....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4361508.stm

"Miss Urlayeva was arrested in August for allegedly distributing political pamphlets with a caricature of the Uzbek coat of arms.

She was sent for psychiatric evaluation but was declared sane.

At that point, HRW said in a statement, Miss Urlayeva should have been released.

Instead she was sent for further evaluation at a more severe hospital.

This time she was declared insane and a court issued an order for her to undergo forcible treatment. "

Yep, thinking different than what the government wants you to is now certifiably insane.... in Uzbek anyways.

Don't take the anti terrorist stand to too much of a fault, or we'll end up in the same sorry state here in the US.

To late:

And during a last minute May 9 hearing, Judge McGinty said Fischer's opposition to the Bush administration makes her "delusional."

"In a phone call after being put in the psych ward, Fisher said her eyeglasses were taken, she was put on suicide watch and if she doesn't comply with the psych examination, she will be sent to the North Coast Mental Institute for a 20 day evaluation. "
" (http://www.arcticbeacon.com/13-May-2006.html)

Is this what you want everybody?
Is this the Ameica you knew?
Do you like this America better?

Hope so; It's what your going to get.

eilz7

05-23-2006, 02:41 PM

i am sickened by the 9.11 attack. my own cousin died that day. and i totally understand why america went to war with saddam and all the terrorists and that. but i also believe that 2 wrongs dont make a right, but at the same time i think that they deserve all they get. im just watching the news and they're talking about the war and how they think that bin laden is dead. do we think that? i hope not - so they can find him, and make him suffer for all the lives that have been lost becuase of him
sorry peeps but my views are a lil mixed up coz im a "hormonal 16 year old who doesnt know what shes saying" but i think that everyone should have a voice and that everyone matters
alee
xxx

Billygoat

07-02-2006, 09:26 AM

"Terror lives all over the world "

Yes, in my own backyard even, even in my own life, ... and yours also.
That's why Homeland Security and related bureaucracies should have carte blanche to all of your records and keep track of your movments day and night.

Especially yours, as I don't know you, and in times like this we should be suspicious of all strangers.
(sarcasm galore there)

More:
Or is everything now suspect?

More:

There is being watchful, then there is just being rediculously parinoid.

Tizol paced the aisles of the December 9 Northwest Airlines flight bound for Honolulu from Los Angeles and didn't return to his seat when flight attendants yelled at him in English, Winter said.

At one point, passengers heard Tizol use a Spanish word they thought sounded like "baby" and believed he was going to strangle a 3-year-old on the plane.

When he headed toward the first-class bathroom near the cockpit, at least four passengers tackled him, Winters said. (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/01/unruly.passenger.ap/index.html)

I suppose though, it is his fault for not learning the friggen language, dang foreigners.

If you're gonna fly to America the least you could do is speak the language.

Does the same apply to Americans who fly to Russia?
I mean what is the point of flying to Russia if ya don't speak Russinese? ;)

Scollzie

07-16-2006, 11:51 AM

Ozzie

07-16-2006, 01:42 PM

Scollzie.....you hit the nail on the head, yet again. Peeps, listen to what he has said.

The problem with taking up the sword is, and has been seen time and time again throughout history, it's double edged. It cuts both ways and that is precisely what we are seeing now with bin Laden and the other terrorist groups/socio-political conflicts around the world.

Everyone is trying to cure the symptoms, and not looking at the root causes of the problems. It shows a great lack of maturity, reasoning and leadership on the part of the so called "world leaders" of this planet. They either don't understand the actual problem, or they're deliberately ignoring it in order to pursue their own self interests. It's most likely a factor of both, and a variable ratio of either depending on who you're talking about.

Billygoat

07-31-2006, 06:14 PM

Everyone is trying to cure the symptoms, and not looking at the root causes of the problems.

A patient cured is a customer lost....

Now if we could just figure out who the sellers are to these "customers" of war we could get this all straightened out.

And just a little bit to think about from another post in another forum long ago:

"but face it, no bankers, no war/hmmmm Somebody should roll that snowball back up the hill and let it roll down again...but face it, no bankers, no war"

Almost...