has anyone else heared

[Pooh_bear]

about the Bird Flu Epidemic? They had this big announcement at my college telling us to get flu shots. Does anyone have any information on this that I could read, because I only found out about this on friday.
Thanks
Pooh

[Ryebeach]

about the Bird Flu Epidemic? They had this big announcement at my college telling us to get flu shots. Does anyone have any information on this that I could read, because I only found out about this on friday.
Thanks
Pooh
There has been a lot of talk about it here in New Hampshire. It's in the paper nearly every day and people are definately concerned. At the doctor's office where I work, we are getting many calls about this every day,

The CDC has put together a fact sheet about the Avian Influenza (Bird Flu):

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/gen-info/facts.htm

Another good resource is a FAQ the World Health Organization has created:

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/avian_faqs/en/index.html

[from_London]

yeah it enterd the UK a cople of weeks ago :eek:, we are just waiting for the virus to mutate and attack humans like its doing in some parts of Europe . The worse thing is we wont find out until spring if the virus has started to attack us :(

[Pooh_bear]

thanks for the link rye

Hugs
Pooh

[geekazoid]

The virus has not yet entered the UK, one bird has died from it but it was in quarrantene (sp?) and had caught it from a bird from south america. If it hits the UK it will be next winter. Although it can travel from bird to human there have so far been no reported cases of it being passed from human to human in which case it would be a pandemic.

There is no need to panic, every year in europe tens of thousands of people die of regular flu, so far only about 10 people have died of bird flu in the entire world. If it does hit those at risk would be the elderly and those with respiratory diseases, as with normal flu, most people wouldn't even get it and most of those who would would survive. Don't worry pooh :D

[from_London]

The virus has not yet entered the UK, one bird has died from it but it was in quarrantene (sp?) and had caught it from a bird from south america. If it hits the UK it will be next winter. Although it can travel from bird to human there have so far been no reported cases of it being passed from human to human in which case it would be a pandemic.

There is no need to panic, every year in europe tens of thousands of people die of regular flu, so far only about 10 people have died of bird flu in the entire world. If it does hit those at risk would be the elderly and those with respiratory diseases, as with normal flu, most people wouldn't even get it and most of those who would would survive. Don't worry pooh :D

looks like you are right, i just checked up on reuters, looks like i need to stop reading the mirror and the sun and start reading papers like the guardian :) and maybe the times :rolleyes:

I still dont understand why we will notice the effects next winter rather than spring , could u explain this to me then :confused:

[geekazoid]

looks like you are right, i just checked up on reuters, looks like i need to stop reading the mirror and the sun and start reading papers like the guardian :) and maybe the times :rolleyes:

I still dont understand why we will notice the effects next winter rather than spring , could u explain this to me then :confused:

lol papers just want to sell copies :D

i'm not sure why we will notice the effects next winter rather than but that is what the health authority i currently saying, it could be that it speads more quickly in winter rather than spring

[from_London]

lol papers just want to sell copies :D

i'm not sure why we will notice the effects next winter rather than but that is what the health authority i currently saying, it could be that it speads more quickly in winter rather than spring

oh rite, i wasnt looking at it from your point of view, i thought as many people do from flu in the winter and then in Spring there is still a high rate of deaths, then the goverment will lookin into the situation

[geekazoid]

oooh i see what you mean, yes the full effects will probably be known sometime in the summer after whever it hits, i thought you meant something else lol, getting all mixed up over here :D

[Billygoat]

Anybody in the States see the corelation between last years "Flu shot shortage" and it being one of the lesser flu seasons on record?

http://www.mercola.com/2000/nov/26/flu_shots.htm#

Possibly In your shot:

* Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)

* Phenol, also known as carbolic acid (this is used as a disinfectant, dye)

* Formaldehyde, a known cancer-causing agent

* Aluminum, which is associated with Alzheimer's disease and seizures and also cancer producing in laboratory mice (it is used as an additive to promote antibody response)

* Thimerosal (a mercury disinfectant/preservative) can result in brain injury and autoimmune disease

* Neomycin and Streptomycin (used as antibiotics) have caused allergic reaction in some people.

Could it possibly be that diseases are getting less common through better sanitary conditions?
Could it possibly be that superbugs are becoming more and more prevalent because of the overuse and missuse of antibiotics and antibacterials?

Better way to "prevent" the flu:

http://www.mercola.com/2003/oct/29/flu_shot.htm

"Avoid Sugar
Get Enough Rest
Eat Garlic Regularly
Don’t Let Stress Become Overwhelming
Exercise
Wash Your Hands"


In other drug news:

CONGRESS POISED TO RUSH THROUGH SWEEPING IMMUNITY FOR POSSIBLY UNSAFE VACCINES AND OTHER DRUGS –
(nice to know they will stand behind thier product so well....)
http://tinyurl.com/77fjh
Where's Nancy Reagan when you need her?

"Just say no to drugs!"
...Nancy Reagan
Granted she was talking about Marijuanna which has not resulted in one death or allergic reaction in many millenia, if ever...

The pharmacutical industry is after one thing:
Profit.
If they happen to make people better while they are making a profit that's just a nice benifit, not a required one.
How many advertisements do you see on tv that just tell you to ask your doctor if "such and such" drug is for you?
More importantly, without even telling you what "such and such" is for.

Now answer this:
Why would the drug industry spend millions of dollars telling you to ask your doctor if you should take this drug without you knowing even what it is for?

[geekazoid]

i've never had a flu vaccine, and i've never had flu, they say if you wash your hands and clean doorknobs, kitchen surfaces etc. more regularly then the number of people getting flu could be cut to half

[Pooh_bear]

I just got my Flu shot :D

[Billygoat]

In other drug news:

CONGRESS POISED TO RUSH THROUGH SWEEPING IMMUNITY FOR POSSIBLY UNSAFE VACCINES AND OTHER DRUGS –
(nice to know they will stand behind thier product so well....)

http://tinyurl.com/9ph7j
[Struck out->] `(a) Authority- As provided in subsection (b), and subject to subsection (b)(1)(C), a manufacturer, distibutor, or administrator of a security countermeasure, or a qualified pandemic and epidemic product, described in subsection (b)(1)(A) or a health care provider shall be immune from suit or liability caused by or arising out of the design, development, clinical testing and investigation, manufacture, labeling, distribution, sale, purchase, donation, dispensing, prescribing, administration, or use of a security countermeasure, or a qualified pandemic and epidemic product, described in subsection (b)(1)(A). [<-Struck out]

Sometime "striking out" is a good thing.

Now just imagine what kind of fun the Pharmaceuticals could have if no one was paying attention...

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/3995/pharmionsthalidomidesales0wb.jpg

Infamous drug thalidomide making a comeback (http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9901/12/thalidomide.01/)

[Lisalou]

Hey if it's as easy as cleaning a door nob more often I'll try it!!!

[Scollzie]

I see the immune system as a prize fighter - if it never fights, it gets lazy.

I don't take medication unless my body is clearly losing a fight. But flu? Oh I just give it 8 - 12 hours max, a warm bed, and some soup. Problem solved. Of course, if it comes on in the morning, then I do my soup trick after I come home from work. Again, problem solved.
Maybe get it once a year or two. Mind you, I don't seem to get infections if I get cut either nowadays. Not that I even bleed much with minor cuts - just give it a minute & wipe off... sealed up ;)

I wonder if taking too many medicines doesn't perhaps have long-term adverse effects on the body? Lower immune system capability perhaps? I suppose one will never hear of anything like this from sales garb. :rolleyes:

[geekazoid]

i think you are totally right, nowadays we use so many chemicals to clean etc. that our immune systems are awful. i never ever take medication for flu or infections or colds and i hardly ever get them. however, i cant imagine you had proper flu if a bowl of soup cleared it up, i've only had proper flu once and i literally couldn't move my muscles were so weak and i was being sick every 10 minutes.

[Scollzie]

Thing is, I've been doing things this way now for around 15 years now, so it's quite probable that I indeed have. I've just noticed that the time it takes to clear is shortening. Probably all the soup & wrapping up does is make me feel a bit better & keep me warm, as well as soothe the throat a bit.

I'm somehow convinced that if you were to tak a newborn baby and let it grow up "in a bubble", with absolutely zero contact with anything remotely resembling a germ, and then at the age of 20 remove the bubble and expose that person to the real world, it would result in a fatality within 6 months or so!

And I think that people taking medication for every little sniffle and complaint robs their immune system of vital target-practice! ;)

[αℓε×_рр]

Thing is, I've been doing things this way now for around 15 years now, so it's quite probable that I indeed have. I've just noticed that the time it takes to clear is shortening. Probably all the soup & wrapping up does is make me feel a bit better & keep me warm, as well as soothe the throat a bit.

I'm somehow convinced that if you were to tak a newborn baby and let it grow up "in a bubble", with absolutely zero contact with anything remotely resembling a germ, and then at the age of 20 remove the bubble and expose that person to the real world, it would result in a fatality within 6 months or so!

And I think that people taking medication for every little sniffle and complaint robs their immune system of vital target-practice! ;)
amen to that:p

[geekazoid]

I'm somehow convinced that if you were to tak a newborn baby and let it grow up "in a bubble", with absolutely zero contact with anything remotely resembling a germ, and then at the age of 20 remove the bubble and expose that person to the real world, it would result in a fatality within 6 months or so!

And I think that people taking medication for every little sniffle and complaint robs their immune system of vital target-practice! ;)

i certainly agree with that, your immune system needs to come into contact with bacteria and viruses to build up immunity, however, there are obviously some situations in which medication is necessary

[Scollzie]

That's why I said I'll only take if I see my body's clearly losing the battle. ;)

[Pooh_bear]

I totally agree with you Scollzie