Funny How Much EJ and Sami Have In Common. Will Sami Ever See It?

[shakabigfoot]

IMO of course and feel free to share your thoughts as well. :)

The characters of EJ and Sami have so very much in common! It is amazing how their thoughts seem to take the same path when they want something. LOL

Here are just a few examples in the evil doings:

Both have used anothers body without the full permission. Sami raped Austin and EJ had Sami make a "deal with the devil" to save Lucas. (weather you see it as rape or not, Sami was not happy to oblige EJ, that much is evident.)

They both manipulate and lie to get what they want.

They both relish and are professional blackmailers. I love how they are blackmailing each other with the same thing right now. LOL


Here are a just a few examples in the family department:

Both are desperatly craving the approval of their parent or parents.

Both do things to attain their approval weather they like what they have to do to get it or not.

Both have had poor examples of unconditional love growing up.

Both have been sent away by their parents to have others raise them.

Both are trying to fit into the mold their parents want them to fit into although it is not truly who they are or what they are about...which cycles back to the approval issue.

It intrigues me, all of their similarities, yet they are on such oppisite sides of the coin. EJ's family pulls him toward completely and total evilness... (Yet he does have a heart and a yerning for other things. Don't get me wrong he does like to be bad but there is more to him then what he is ordered to do and clearly doesn't always take pleasure in it. He just wants to be accepted completely.) While Sami's pushes her towards Saint hood and trying to fill those shoes...(Yet she does have a very dark side and yerns to be free and still be loved even with and including her dark side. There is a part of her that doesn't want to keep denying who and what she is. She just wants to be accepted completely.)


There again we have the yin and yang I speak of when it comes to EJ and Sami. There are many more examples but I will stop here.

When will Sami see that she and EJ are so VERY similuar? Will she accept herself and EJ coming to understand the postion they have both been in? Or will she continue to close her eyes and try to force herself to fit into the PERFECT image she has in her minds eye, the Disney cookie cutter impression of perfection that simply does not exist? Can Sami conquer the mindset that lives in denial of all that is Sami; the villain with a heart and a great NEED to be who she is and yet still be loved and accepeted? Will she allow herself to demand and find the unconditional love that she has not known in her relationships as of yet? Will she let go of the childhood mind set and embrace herself for what she is? Will she ever see that she and EJ are not that very different from one another?

Again these are only my views on the character of Sami. ;)

[SuperSami]

Big difference is that Sami doesn't want to be be evil. EJ revels in it.

[shakabigfoot]

Big difference is that Sami doesn't want to be be evil. EJ revels in it.
LOL True, EJ does truly enjoy some of the things he gets to do. I would love to have got Willow to do my dirty work and double cross her!!! LOL Can't blame him. :D

But I saw the whole EJ having Steve get Kayla to take John's kindey out as a way that, believe it or not, would help John to live. Like it was his duty, he had to do it for Stefano and he offered to have Kayla do it because he knew otherwise John was a gonner.

Then there are times when Sami does like her evil doings. She always had a good time giving Lexie hell. Again, I can't blame her. LOL I would of loved to torment Lexie the doctor, neroligist, gyno, pediatrician, counseler, surgene, nurse and dermetoligist.

So I think it depends on the circumstances weather either one revels in it or not. But both always doing what they have to do to get what they want.

IMO anyway. ;)

[shakabigfoot]

By the way, aloha super sami. :cool: :)

[SuperSami]

Hola!

I'd like to see some depth to EJ and some reasoning for what he does. Oh well.

Sami, on the other hand I understand. I get what drives her and why she feels the way she feels and it's easy to relate. I see Sami and EJ having similar actions, but for very different reasons.

OT but I loved Sami's shirt today!

[Mander]

I have to say their is a big difference between a traumatized 17 year old child drugging the man she truly believed loved her and she loved and a grown adult male, who knows exactly what is going on with his life and around him, raping a woman simply to "plant his seed." At the time Sami "raped" Austin she was suffering from the aftermath of Bulimia, rape, her mother cheating, having shot Alan and numerous other traumas. These all affect the psyche of anyone - esp a teenager. I still maintain to this day that those things set Sami off the beaten path because she never got the psychiatric help she needed and it took her years to overcome some of that on her own.

lie and manipulate - until recently the same could be said for Lucas. They never called LUMI the "Scheme Dream Team" for nothing.

We don't actually know that EJ was sent away. What we know is that EJ left with his mother Susan and Edmond - seemingly very loving parents. What happened to get him back with Stefano is only pure speculation. For all we know Stefano kidnapped him and raised him. Stefano has never sent away his children - in fact he's done everything in his power to have his children under his control. EX: Killing Rachel Blake in order to raise Peter and Kristen who weren't even his.

Sami has done things that were wrong - I agree. However, as of late I do believe she's changed. I think she's grown up some. I've also seen Sami remorseful for the things she's done even while lying about it while I've never seen EJ regret anything. I'm not really sure what his "good" hopes and dreams are. Sami has never killed anyone, attempted to kill anyone, stolen a body organ, etc. Sami's done some bad things but I think EJ has done downright criminal things - truly evil things. I don't think he cares about pleasing Stefano. We've heard him stand up to him. "Tell, Stefano I don't give a damn what he wants!" and we know Stefano didn't want him to return to Salem.

As a side thought ... I dno't think Sami has ever really "relished" in blackmail. Except for Kate possibly but Kate is a whole nother ball game! Sami has simply done what she felt she had to in order to protect herself. EJ does it just to do it.

and that's about the extent I feel like discussing them at the moment. I'm going to dry my hair instead because I'm cold :D

[shakabigfoot]

Hola!

I'd like to see some depth to EJ and some reasoning for what he does. Oh well.

Sami, on the other hand I understand. I get what drives her and why she feels the way she feels and it's easy to relate. I see Sami and EJ having similar actions, but for very different reasons.

OT but I loved Sami's shirt today!

I would like to see them bring out more of the other sides to EJ as well. Or show some kind of motive and reasoning. IMHO Poor storytelling is running rampid on the Days set right now. But that is a whole nother story. LOL But those flaws are truly not the actors fault. For having to give a back story to the motives and what is driving them, without it being writen in? I do believe they are doing very well. We understand Sami so well because we have watched her for so long (even though there is the devide between those that see her as a villain with a heart and those the see her and a good person who just does bad things and needs to grow up)...EJ is uncharted waters so to speak. If you know what I mean, so without better storytelling we are left to come up with our own conclusions. Plus I wouldn't be suprised if they are leaving so much up to interpretation due to the 2 fan bases. You as a LUMI lover can see it one way and I as an EJAMI lover can see it another. Their playing us girl! LOL ;)


Ali gets to wear some really cute outfits, I was loving her hair on Mondays show as well (the curls). She is such a beautiful woman that they could put her in a paper bag and she would glow.

[SuperSami]

Well with Sami, we saw her reasoning as it happened. I think EJ's lack of character development is intentional. I never blame the actors for their storyline. I love James and hope he turns up in Greenville so I can meet him. It's a shame he's been written into a corner. I guess we will have to see where they take things.

[lyonsfam6]

Hola!

I'd like to see some depth to EJ and some reasoning for what he does. Oh well.

Sami, on the other hand I understand. I get what drives her and why she feels the way she feels and it's easy to relate. I see Sami and EJ having similar actions, but for very different reasons.

OT but I loved Sami's shirt today!

I think we would all like to see reasons why EJ does some of the things he does. I am a huge fan of EJs but I am willing to take a step back and beg the writers to give us his motivations. Quite frankly, I think any actor loves the opportunity to add depth to their character.:D

[lyonsfam6]

I have to say their is a big difference between a traumatized 17 year old child drugging the man she truly believed loved her and she loved and a grown adult male, who knows exactly what is going on with his life and around him, raping a woman simply to "plant his seed." At the time Sami "raped" Austin she was suffering from the aftermath of Bulimia, rape, her mother cheating, having shot Alan and numerous other traumas. These all affect the psyche of anyone - esp a teenager. I still maintain to this day that those things set Sami off the beaten path because she never got the psychiatric help she needed and it took her years to overcome some of that on her own.

lie and manipulate - until recently the same could be said for Lucas. They never called LUMI the "Scheme Dream Team" for nothing.

We don't actually know that EJ was sent away. What we know is that EJ left with his mother Susan and Edmond - seemingly very loving parents. What happened to get him back with Stefano is only pure speculation. For all we know Stefano kidnapped him and raised him. Stefano has never sent away his children - in fact he's done everything in his power to have his children under his control. EX: Killing Rachel Blake in order to raise Peter and Kristen who weren't even his.

Sami has done things that were wrong - I agree. However, as of late I do believe she's changed. I think she's grown up some. I've also seen Sami remorseful for the things she's done even while lying about it while I've never seen EJ regret anything. I'm not really sure what his "good" hopes and dreams are. Sami has never killed anyone, attempted to kill anyone, stolen a body organ, etc. Sami's done some bad things but I think EJ has done downright criminal things - truly evil things. I don't think he cares about pleasing Stefano. We've heard him stand up to him. "Tell, Stefano I don't give a damn what he wants!" and we know Stefano didn't want him to return to Salem.

As a side thought ... I dno't think Sami has ever really "relished" in blackmail. Except for Kate possibly but Kate is a whole nother ball game! Sami has simply done what she felt she had to in order to protect herself. EJ does it just to do it.

and that's about the extent I feel like discussing them at the moment. I'm going to dry my hair instead because I'm cold :D


Sami didn't seem to mind black-mailing Lexie...right up until things turned on her and she wound up afraid people might find out her secrets as well. She did it that time...as in most other times IMO to forward her own interests, usually involving getting the guy she wants.

[shakabigfoot]

IMHO Sami doesn't NORMALLY (but occationally she does) feel bad until she gets worried that she will be caught. She tells herself, well I did what I had to do and is fine with it. It is when the fear of discovery seeps in or after she has been found out that guilt may rear it's head. Many times I think it is guilt of being caught! LMAO!

[SuperSami]

Well that is the over riding concern in anyone's life.

Shaka, could I ask you a favor? Could you pick another color besides the pink? Or if they have a slightly darker one? These old eyes are having trouble reading your posts due to the contrast between the pink and blue. If not, I'll just continue to highlight.

Thanks

[shakabigfoot]

How is this one?

[SuperSami]

Much better! Thank you!

I"m off! Have a good night everyone!

[lyonsfam6]

IMHO Sami doesn't NORMALLY (but occationally she does) feel bad until she gets worried that she will be caught. She tells herself, well I did what I had to do and is fine with it. It is when the fear of discovery seeps in or after she has been found out that guilt may rear it's head. Many times I think it is guilt of being caught! LMAO!

Seriously, it's one of the many reasons why I love Sami so much! She is always getting herself (or at least the writers are) into these major dilemas and then we get the joy of watching it blow up in her face. It's kind of like poetic justice for the masses (me).

It's the same for EJ. If you can get beyond his absolutely stunning looks and voice that melts butter and look at his character alone, you see someone who has to win at any cost...just like Sami. It would be an absolute great s/l for years to come if Sami and EJ wound up together. Think of the pain Sami could inflict with all that DiMera money backing her up!:p

[poisonivy70]

First of all, before I jump in - I'd like to say hi to everyone :) I love Ali and the character of Sami for a very long time, and I'm excited to see her in TBL as well as Days. She's a fantastically talented actress, and she's brought some wonderful depth to a flawed character so well.

Onto the topic at hand...

I have to say their is a big difference between a traumatized 17 year old child drugging the man she truly believed loved her and she loved and a grown adult male, who knows exactly what is going on with his life and around him, raping a woman simply to "plant his seed." At the time Sami "raped" Austin she was suffering from the aftermath of Bulimia, rape, her mother cheating, having shot Alan and numerous other traumas. These all affect the psyche of anyone - esp a teenager. I still maintain to this day that those things set Sami off the beaten path because she never got the psychiatric help she needed and it took her years to overcome some of that on her own.

I agree that Sami had serious issues growing up - but we have luckily been afforded to really see them and appreciate what she went through with time and perspective. That's what comes from seeing Sami over so many years. Meanwhile, I've enjoyed watching her because she's so flawed. But if she had gone to therapy, I don't think we'd get the fascinating character that we have now.

There was still alot of hurt that she caused because of her obsessive need to recreate that perfect family, and alot of pain she inflicted on alot of other people to suit her own ends.

EJ has been on the canvas for less than a year, and they have given hints to his motivations, and I really look forward to seeing them explore them further.



lie and manipulate - until recently the same could be said for Lucas. They never called LUMI the "Scheme Dream Team" for nothing.

We don't actually know that EJ was sent away. What we know is that EJ left with his mother Susan and Edmond - seemingly very loving parents. What happened to get him back with Stefano is only pure speculation. For all we know Stefano kidnapped him and raised him. Stefano has never sent away his children - in fact he's done everything in his power to have his children under his control. EX: Killing Rachel Blake in order to raise Peter and Kristen who weren't even his.

All we know is that he's stated Stefano "saved" him when he was young, and that in and of itself, can inspire a tremendous amount of devotion.


Sami has done things that were wrong - I agree. However, as of late I do believe she's changed. I think she's grown up some. I've also seen Sami remorseful for the things she's done even while lying about it while I've never seen EJ regret anything. I'm not really sure what his "good" hopes and dreams are. Sami has never killed anyone, attempted to kill anyone, stolen a body organ, etc. Sami's done some bad things but I think EJ has done downright criminal things - truly evil things. I don't think he cares about pleasing Stefano. We've heard him stand up to him. "Tell, Stefano I don't give a damn what he wants!" and we know Stefano didn't want him to return to Salem.

Sami's grown up, but she'll always fall back on the lying, it's part of who she is. Being honest is hard for her, especially with herself. She is queen of denial...

As for EJ, again, I think this points to the amount of time he's actually been on the show...so much still to be shown and explored as far as his reasons, but I'm willing to give him a chance


As a side thought ... I don't think Sami has ever really "relished" in blackmail. Except for Kate possibly but Kate is a whole nother ball game! Sami has simply done what she felt she had to in order to protect herself. EJ does it just to do it.

Sami has always done what she had to to get what she wanted. Knowledge is power and Sami enjoyed having that, over anyone she could and I absolutely think she enjoyed it while she did it.


and that's about the extent I feel like discussing them at the moment. I'm going to dry my hair instead because I'm cold :D

Stay warm! :)

[poisonivy70]

Seriously, it's one of the many reasons why I love Sami so much! She is always getting herself (or at least the writers are) into these major dilemas and then we get the joy of watching it blow up in her face. It's kind of like poetic justice for the masses (me).

It's the same for EJ. If you can get beyond his absolutely stunning looks and voice that melts butter and look at his character alone, you see someone who has to win at any cost...just like Sami. It would be an absolute great s/l for years to come if Sami and EJ wound up together. Think of the pain Sami could inflict with all that DiMera money backing her up!:p

Love this post! So true - I'd much prefer to have Sami flawed and fascinating, than normal and boring...

[shakabigfoot]

Absolutly agree Lyon and Poison! 100%

As for me, it is Sami's dark side that makes me love her so. I am never loving Days more than when she is up to her tricks. I would love to see her stop apoligizing for that side of herself and embrace her deviousness as well as improve on her wicked plans so they don't blow up in her face! LMAO :D :p (But I do want her to keep her goodness as well, for those that may think I want a one dimensional character. I want her to embrace the mixture that she is. But when she is bad is the most interesting time for me. That I can't deny. I love drama in my drama. LOL)

IMO EJ and Sami would make one heck of a team as they take on Salem and The DiMeras!

[SuperSami]

LOL Sami is NEVER boring

[SuperSami]

I don't see Sami as dark, just shaded, which is what keeps her interesting. I love her struggles to find her place in her own world. Evil is just too one-dimensional.

I just can't wait for the Luminess to come. Ali and Bryan play so well off each other and really know how to bring out their characters' vulnerabilities as well as strengths. And as EJ himself said, the 10th time is the charm (Aren't you glad we revised the count, Ali ;) ).

Happy spinning, ladies. Now I really am off to bed. I hate getting up early on the weekends. There ought to be a law.

[lyonsfam6]

LOL Sami is NEVER boring

On this much we can agree. I have many concerns with the LUMI s/l but perhaps the one that scares me the most is that if the character of Sami gets what she says she wants...stable life, happy family, blah blah blah...I'm not sure I'd want to watch it. That may sound weird but if I want a stable life to look at, I'll take a step back and watch my family around the dinner table. I don't watch soaps to see extended periods of mush. I watch them to see the struggle that gets them to said mush. I watch them to experience things that I normally don't (or at least I pray to my personal God that I won't) have to deal with in my personal life.

Bottom line...I don't want Sami to be boring but IMO, she's played her childhood scheme personna a wee bit to much. With the DiMera money, she could be a whole different kind of schemer...perhaps even a bonified villianess! DOOL really needs one of those...Kate doesn't count.

[shakabigfoot]

Bottom line...I don't want Sami to be boring but IMO, she's played her childhood scheme personna a wee bit to much. With the DiMera money, she could be a whole different kind of schemer...perhaps even a bonified villianess! DOOL really needs one of those...Kate doesn't count.
Now that would be must see TV!!! :D

[lyonsfam6]

Now that would be must see TV!!! :D


You have all of these women that watch the show...and yet no truly strong, "I'm going to stand on my own" women. They are all waiting to be rescued by their men. They need to write a male character and give him a female name and an actress to play the part! That's how a woman needs to be written. That's must see TV!

[Mander]

Tell me about it, SS. I work 7A - 7P Saturday and Sunday. Ah well it's a trade off for being off 4 days a week.

See, that's the trouble I have with all this. I have never seen Sami and "EVIL" selfish -yes. Childish - perhaps. However, deep down all she wants is to be loved and essentially be the "unflawed" character. Heck, who doesn't want to be the highly respected saint of a group? However, Sami's flaws have always made her the character that we want to watch. If nothing else I think we all can agree that Ali is an incredibly talented actress whether she is acting with Bryan, James, or Oscar the Grouch.

[poisonivy70]

I don't see Sami as dark, just shaded, which is what keeps her interesting. I love her struggles to find her place in her own world. Evil is just too one-dimensional.

I agree with you actually to a point, but I don't think evil's one dimensional, so much as subjective really. Think about it, half the world thinks Osama bin laden is the devil, the other half believe he's a saviour. It's all a matter of perspective - I perhaps would feel differently if I grew up in a different part of the world. But the point is, Sami's done what can be considered "evil" things, but we've come to love her because we understand and empathize with why she did them.



I just can't wait for the Luminess to come. Ali and Bryan play so well off each other and really know how to bring out their characters' vulnerabilities as well as strengths. And as EJ himself said, the 10th time is the charm (Aren't you glad we revised the count, Ali ;) ).

Ali and Bryan are great to see as friends onscreen, but I just don't love their characters together romantically. They have a really good brother-sister vibe between them.


Happy spinning, ladies. Now I really am off to bed. I hate getting up early on the weekends. There ought to be a law.


Now on this we agree - getting up early on weekends is just wrong! Goodnight!

[Mander]

brother sister? No way! They have enough incestuous relativse between them without that LOL Like Cassie and Rex

One of the things that makes LUMI so great in my mind is that they have such a colorful past. They've been best friends. Best enemies. All the while they've had a child between them. LUMI all the way for me.

[Tanyag9]

Seriously, it's one of the many reasons why I love Sami so much! She is always getting herself (or at least the writers are) into these major dilemas and then we get the joy of watching it blow up in her face. It's kind of like poetic justice for the masses (me).

It's the same for EJ. If you can get beyond his absolutely stunning looks and voice that melts butter and look at his character alone, you see someone who has to win at any cost...just like Sami. It would be an absolute great s/l for years to come if Sami and EJ wound up together. Think of the pain Sami could inflict with all that DiMera money backing her up!:p

I Agree with you lion. The episodes where sami's schemes blow up in her face are my favourite ones. [And ali does such an amazing job at portraying sami fall apart :) ]

But here's the thing, lately sami has annoyingly embraced the cry-cry some more-beg- beg some more-cry again-oh and cry btw- method.

Whats i would REALLY like to see instead, is Sami and EJ going head to head like two super villians with different agendas.
And IMO, if they were ever to actually become a couple, than that kind of rivalry is the best setting. [It has certainly done LUMI justice :p ]

That being said, just want to point out i am not an EJami shipper ATM. =P

[SuperSami]

On this much we can agree. I have many concerns with the LUMI s/l but perhaps the one that scares me the most is that if the character of Sami gets what she says she wants...stable life, happy family, blah blah blah...I'm not sure I'd want to watch it. That may sound weird but if I want a stable life to look at, I'll take a step back and watch my family around the dinner table. I don't watch soaps to see extended periods of mush. I watch them to see the struggle that gets them to said mush. I watch them to experience things that I normally don't (or at least I pray to my personal God that I won't) have to deal with in my personal life.

Bottom line...I don't want Sami to be boring but IMO, she's played her childhood scheme personna a wee bit to much. With the DiMera money, she could be a whole different kind of schemer...perhaps even a bonified villianess! DOOL really needs one of those...Kate doesn't count.


I don't see Sami and Lucas ever being settled or boring. Being a schemer doesn't mean you have to do wrong. You can scheme to get ahead, you can scheme to help others and with Sami's tendency to mess things up, the need to get out of messes and dance around issues leads to tons of possibilities.

As for the role of villianess--that's fine, if that's what Sami wants, but clearly what Sami wants isn't to alienate her family--no matter how much they deserve it, her son--who never seems to figure into any EJ and Sami equation I have seen, and she definitely doesn't want to hurt Lucas. It's clear she loves him temendously or she wouldn't have made that ultimate sacrifice. Sami deserves to be with the man she loves, not one who has tried to control her from the moment he stepped into town. Basically, it's what Sami wants, not what others want her to be.

Lucas is far from a goodie two shoes character. Like Sami, he wants to be the good guy and has problems sticking to it. Unlike Sami, he gets away with his schemes. Lucas and Sami have a rich history together--both good and bad, both calm and scheming. Neither is stagnant and will never be boring. Once this whole rape/wtd story is over, I'd love to see Lucas and Sami get into business together and take over Salem one company/enemy at a time. No matter how bad things get between Lumi, they always come back to each other--because of their history and love for one another. Sami wants Lucas and that's good enough for me.

[poisonivy70]

brother sister? No way! They have enough incestuous relativse between them without that LOL Like Cassie and Rex

One of the things that makes LUMI so great in my mind is that they have such a colorful past. They've been best friends. Best enemies. All the while they've had a child between them. LUMI all the way for me.

That's the whole thing for me - since the beginning, I've never really supported a relationship between the two of them because I just don't like their past interaction. During his proposal to her at the Penthouse Grill, I just cringed because I didn't feel any real supercouple vibe between them. Their history is what turns me off to the coupling. Enemies, and friends are fine for me, but when it goes to a romantic realm, I just remember all the horrible things that they've done to each other, and it completely turns me off. Not to mention the fact that Lucas has never really stood on his own away from Sami. He's always been a supporting character, and I think Bryan's a talented actor who deserves more than that.

I've supported any coupling where the person she's involved with cares for her, all of her the good and the bad - and Lucas has never been that for her. Brami I thought had real potential, until the writers gave up on it and put her back with Lucas. Lucas has always been a conditional love and I think Sami deserves better than someone who's settling for her because "good girls stab you in the back."

To each his own, right? :D

[SuperSami]

No offense, but EJ's past with Sami if less stellar than Lumi's. If bad deeds are a turn off, rape, blackmail, and trying to kill her family must be the mother of cold showers.

I enjoyed, even rooted for Brami until he just gave up to Austin. I kind of understand why--he wanted her to have her shot and all, but it was way to easy. The second time around when he wanted to her to be psychotic over him and he set up hotel hell, lost me. He is by far her best ex and I wish he was around now because I think he would encourage her to come clean to Lucas and help her deal with EJ--if he hadn't already beaten him into a coma.

[Mander]

The good part of motel hell was the Jack and Sami stuff:)

[SuperSami]

OH yeah! I'd give anything to see Sami talk to Jack about being raped. Can you imagine how powerful that would be with him being her friend and understanding yet also having guilt for having been on the other side of the street.

Too bad Jack is in New York with Abigail

[poisonivy70]

No offense, but EJ's past with Sami if less stellar than Lumi's. If bad deeds are a turn off, rape, blackmail, and trying to kill her family must be the mother of cold showers.

No offense taken - I like the debate honestly. I'm always interested in hearing someone else's views on Sami's scenes, mostly because it fascinates me how different people can see the same scenes in different ways. Rarely is it exactly the same.

As for the bad deeds, I tend to equate EJ and Sami's deeds - they're both dysfunctional creatures who have done horrible things for love of family and for acceptance by said families. The fact that their families are on opposite sides of an epic battle just up the stakes for me. And there's much of EJ's supposed "bad deeds" that are still up in the air - this is mostly because I think we're still in the midst of that "deep and complicated" storyline that Ali was talking about, and I hate judging any character until I know the whole story. I'm willing to give his character the benefit of the doubt that the writers have created.

The deal breaker for me and Lumi was and always will be his weakly standing by while his mother set up Sami to take the fall for Franco's murder. I can forgive alot of things, but letting her die all the while listening to his mommy dearest's declarations that all would be OK and that Sami wouldn't be killed cinched it for me. Yes, I know he rushed in at the very last second, but they'd already started injecting her and quite frankly the governor was the one who ordered that the execution be stopped. He even recanted his confession, so he's a murderer who's never paid for his crime. Basically, I look at the characters in this triangle guilty of some nasty things, and no one is an innocent.

I've always seen him as a weak and ineffectual character since then, and frankly nothing's happened to change that for me. That's why I've wanted to see him have a s/l of his own, become a leading man who may one day be worthy of Sami. I probably wouldn't support Lumi anyway, but I don't see him as worthy now.


I enjoyed, even rooted for Brami until he just gave up to Austin. I kind of understand why--he wanted her to have her shot and all, but it was way to easy. The second time around when he wanted to her to be psychotic over him and he set up hotel hell, lost me. He is by far her best ex and I wish he was around now because I think he would encourage her to come clean to Lucas and help her deal with EJ--if he hadn't already beaten him into a coma.

I'm not sure what you mean by hotel hell - I thought he was set up just as Sami was by Kate and Eugenia. Basically he let her go because he knew she had moved on already, so it was good of him to do that, although I didn't agree. The first time they had his character leave, I was really aggravated because it was such a waste and completely different to everything he'd said to Sami.

Otherwise, I agree Brandon was a good match for Sami and I'm sorry that he's not around. But since he's not, I still prefer EJ and Sami's chemistry to Lucas and Sami.

[SuperSami]

Hotel Hell was back when Brandon was dating Jennifer. He had told Sami to obsess about him. He and Jennifer went away to GML and Jack and Sami teamed up and followed. Only problem was that Brandon had left them fake information and sent them to a hotel that specialized in murder mystery enactments. Problem with that was that Sami and Jack found themselves being terrorized by assailants. When Colin (don't ask) and Jennifer showed up, Jack had been "shot". He lay "dying" and Jennifer was laughing in his face. Sami refused to leave Jack, even though she was scared to death. When the truth was revealed, Sami told Jennifer off in royal fashion while Jack stood by silently. When Sami confronted Brandon about it, he laughed in her face and told her she asked for it. The walk away I am referring to is when Sami and Brandon came back from Italy and he just gave up.


My problem with you equating why EJ has done what he's done to what Sam's done is that we have no clue why EJ does what he does. Does he love family? Is he trying to keep Stefano alive to he can usurp Tony in the will? Did he kill his sister? I know why Sami acts and feels the way she does. I don't know and honestly, no longer care why EJ does what he does. I did when he first came on, loved the man of mystery aura, although I knew he wasn't good from the get go. His whatever you want to call it ( I call it rape) of Sami was the nail in the coffin for me.

The motivation you attribute to EJ and Sami also holds true for Lucas. He was lied to about his paternity for 18 years, has fought to fit in with the Hortons and compete with siblings his mother favored. He is an extremely insecure individual. However, while I find his forgiveness of Kate annoying, I also see that it's what enables him to forgive Sami for what she's done to him. Family comes first and it's why he can't walk away totally from Sami or Kate--although I am sure if push came to shove, he would leave Kate in the dust. He is far from weak. He is the one who got Sami through the first rape, stood up for her, got the goods on Alan. He's the one who cheered her on and schemed with her. He's the one who got her through her paralysis. That's not weakness. Just because a character doesn't bully an entire town, it doesn't make him weak. It takes more strength sometimes to not take revenge that do what EJ is now doing. The reason he's got issues forgiving Sami, IMO, is that she is the only person he truly trusted and that betrayal cuts deep. He doesn't expect much from Kate, but with Sami, he expects more. He gets mad, he walks away, he comes back. It's not the best way to deal but just as Sami wants to be accepted as is, Lucas deserves that too, and that's the way he deals. They will have to work on that together.

I'm just curious--how long have you been watching Days? I'm always curious as to when people started watching and if it's effected how they feel about certain characters.

I love a good debate.

[poisonivy70]

Hotel Hell was back when Brandon was dating Jennifer. He had told Sami to obsess about him. He and Jennifer went away to GML and Jack and Sami teamed up and followed. Only problem was that Brandon had left them fake information and sent them to a hotel that specialized in murder mystery enactments. Problem with that was that Sami and Jack found themselves being terrorized by assailants. When Colin (don't ask) and Jennifer showed up, Jack had been "shot". He lay "dying" and Jennifer was laughing in his face. Sami refused to leave Jack, even though she was scared to death. When the truth was revealed, Sami told Jennifer off in royal fashion while Jack stood by silently. When Sami confronted Brandon about it, he laughed in her face and told her she asked for it. The walk away I am referring to is when Sami and Brandon came back from Italy and he just gave up.


Man, I completely forgot about that part! It came back to me when I began reading your post...I think I was trying to suppress Colin's entire s/l and unfortunately that part went with it :D So thank you...As I also recall, Brandon had spent the better part chasing after her in Italy helping her out and trying to get her to show her she was loveable just as she was, than chasing after a man that didn’t want her. Sami kept stubbornly persisting in chasing that eternal dream, and she’s still isn’t done.


My problem with you equating why EJ has done what he's done to what Sam's done is that we have no clue why EJ does what he does. Does he love family? Is he trying to keep Stefano alive to he can usurp Tony in the will? Did he kill his sister? I know why Sami acts and feels the way she does. I don't know and honestly, no longer care why EJ does what he does. I did when he first came on, loved the man of mystery aura, although I knew he wasn't good from the get go. His whatever you want to call it ( I call it rape) of Sami was the nail in the coffin for me.

There have been glimpses into his reasons, from the beginning. When he’s mentioned his mother over the summer, you could see how sensitive a subject it was to him. Speaking to Sami in her apartment, he told her that fighting dirty was something they had in common, and she had a hard time believing him, but he was being honest. He also said that he’d pretty much been on his own since he was a kid and learned to take care of himself. In his scenes with Stefano, when he spoke of Stefano saving him, and giving him the world - those are powerful motivators, being a young person and having an adult come into their life and help them in the ways that Stefano could have for EJ.

What he’s done since coming to Salem speaks to me of an intense desire to please Stefano. To finish what his father started, make him proud. Unfortunately, his father is Stefano DiMera, so he doesn’t have the best example to begin with. But there have been glimpses that he’s not some cartoon villain.

And yes, I also knew he wasn’t going to be good (his initials certainly gave a clue), but I like the villains, so I was willing to see how it turned out. Glad I did.



The motivation you attribute to EJ and Sami also holds true for Lucas. He was lied to about his paternity for 18 years, has fought to fit in with the Hortons and compete with siblings his mother favored. He is an extremely insecure individual.

In this I completely agree.


However, while I find his forgiveness of Kate annoying, I also see that it's what enables him to forgive Sami for what she's done to him. Family comes first and it's why he can't walk away totally from Sami or Kate--although I am sure if push came to shove, he would leave Kate in the dust. He is far from weak. He is the one who got Sami through the first rape, stood up for her, got the goods on Alan. He's the one who cheered her on and schemed with her. He's the one who got her through her paralysis. That's not weakness. Just because a character doesn't bully an entire town, it doesn't make him weak. It takes more strength sometimes to not take revenge that do what EJ is now doing.

I think of him as weak because he’s hardly ever had a strong storyline of his own. He has always supported Sami’s storyline, his mother’s storyline, Nicole’s storyline, etc. He’s never been the leading man to me. When he was Sami’s friend helping her scheme to get Carrie and Austin apart, I had no problem with him, but he was the sidekick IMO. Again, not a problem with a friendship, but romance has never been something I want to see between them. No interest.


The reason he's got issues forgiving Sami, IMO, is that she is the only person he truly trusted and that betrayal cuts deep. He doesn't expect much from Kate, but with Sami, he expects more. He gets mad, he walks away, he comes back. It's not the best way to deal but just as Sami wants to be accepted as is, Lucas deserves that too, and that's the way he deals. They will have to work on that together.

Why should he expect more from Sami? She’s schemed and lied practically from the moment they met. Why would he be surprised by her actions? His surprise at it every time annoys me. She will never change because deep down, she cannot stop herself from it. She shouldn’t have to change for anyone but herself, but she’s too damaged to work that out.



I'm just curious--how long have you been watching Days? I'm always curious as to when people started watching and if it's effected how they feel about certain characters.

I love a good debate.

I have watched Days since the days of Bo & Hope first got together, around 1982-83. I was a wee child :D

But seriously, I had watched it pretty faithfully up until the Marlena serial killer s/l, and have tuned in and out since. I have kept up on weeks I didn’t watch through my subscription to SOD, but just began regularly recording and watching DAYS this past fall. I became completely hooked on the Sami/EJ storyline and went back and watched all the episodes I missed over the summer. Both Sami and EJ are the reasons I continue to watch DAYS now. There’s more excitement when I see them than anything I’d seen on DAYS in years....

[shakabigfoot]

Tell me about it, SS. I work 7A - 7P Saturday and Sunday. Ah well it's a trade off for being off 4 days a week.

See, that's the trouble I have with all this. I have never seen Sami and "EVIL" selfish -yes. Childish - perhaps. However, deep down all she wants is to be loved and essentially be the "unflawed" character. Heck, who doesn't want to be the highly respected saint of a group? However, Sami's flaws have always made her the character that we want to watch. If nothing else I think we all can agree that Ali is an incredibly talented actress whether she is acting with Bryan, James, or Oscar the Grouch.

Oh yes Mander! We do indeed love our Ali girl and whatever happens I want Ali to have a long, wonderful and prosperous career!

[shakabigfoot]

Great debate ladies, makes for some very interesting reading. :) I do agree with Poisons views and I would add, but she is covering my thoughts so very well. LOL

SS I have been watching the show for something like 27 years. ;)

[SuperSami]

It's funny, but EJ is the reason I find myself tuning out more and more. Different strokes for different folks.

My point about Lucas expecting more from Sami is that they schemed together and were honest with each other. When he found out she kept Will's paternity from him (who had been on the other end of that) he was devestated

I'm glad you are both long timers. It makes discussing history so much easier. Hotel Hell did have a great consequence though--Jack and Sami became friends. I really liked that friendship. Too bad JER never really wrote for it.


I guess we are never going to agree on Lucas and EJ but it's all good. I'm going to call it a night. Have a good one!

Oh year, I've been watching (most of the time) since Liz shot Marie. I don't want to figure out how long ago that was.

[quirkyprof02]

Hello all, I just joined because of some rather persuasive people telling me that this is the happening place to be!

Anyway, I guess I could start by telling how much I LOVE the character of Sami -- have since she came on (I was in 6th grade, and was bucking the system in my family, where everyone watched B&B and Y&R). I totally identified with how she was NOT the first choice of ANYONE, not her parents, not her family, certainly not any men in her life, and yet she kept fighting to find a place to belong.

I loved the schemes and how SHE felt that she was always in the driver's seat, while the other milque-toasts whined and sighed and said "oh poor me." I felt the her embarrassments when she was always told off at her weddings and left at the altar and abandoned by people that she had believed she could trust.

And that is why I like the pairing of EJ and Sami. Not only the idea of a Dimera/Brady romance penetrating all social and family norms, but also the chance to show off the characters in their most poignant light.

Yes, terrible things were done to Sami that most of us could not look past. But that shows how different Sami's character is. The fact that she still could have feelings (real feelings) for a man when she suspects the worst of him (although I believe that some of that will be tempered in the future), is a testament to her ability to love (which was never shown in her interactions with her emotionally-stunted family and her lop-sided romances). It also gives a chance to prove that a Dimera, brought up in the most inauspicious of circumstances, could find himself loving a person whom he has always been taught to hate and view as an object. It's enough to make Stephano's hairy arm clench in rage!

What would be even more powerful is that this could give Sami a chance to TRULY be a hero -- not the fluff-media darling that Lucas thinks of her, and not the flakey, immature, and stupid schemer that Kate and her family think her to be. She could find a way to broker peace in a blood feud when none of the other egomaniacal characters in her life could do it. They'd never be more shocked, and I, for one, would love to see it!

Or, EJ and Sami could team up as a rogue couple, scheming and providing support to both sides when it suited their interests. Either way, much more potential for character development and storylines.

Okay, I'll stop in the hopes that I haven't put anyone to sleep. I just want to make certain that I'm clear.

[SuperSami]

Welcome.

Sami's always been a hero to me just by surviving her family. But seriously, look at all the times she's made the right choice and not gotten credit for it. Saving Kate's sorry butt in the hospital comes to mind. Her biggest heroic act was sacrificing all for Lucas. Just goes to show how much she loves him, and in a coupling, mutual love is what counts.

Ok, now I really am off.

[quirkyprof02]

Welcome.

Sami's always been a hero to me just by surviving her family. But seriously, look at all the times she's made the right choice and not gotten credit for it. Saving Kate's sorry butt in the hospital comes to mind. Her biggest heroic act was sacrificing all for Lucas. Just goes to show how much she loves him, and in a coupling, mutual love is what counts.

Ok, now I really am off.


Okay, as you are "really off," I'm totally okay with not getting reply for some time.

I just wanted to explain my position on the whole Lucas thing. Believe me, there were times in the past when I was pulling for Lumi big-time (especially over Austin ... especially after they replaced Patrick Muldoon!). But he's been on his high-horse once too often for my accepting him with Sami anymore (especially in front of Will). I definitely like the character, and I think the actor is great, but I really just see him as "settling" for Sami, as she is for him. I see her love for him right now mainly as obligation, much like her love is for her family. I see her as being someone who doesn't know what real love is because she's had this "dream" of love that always comes crashing down on her at the first sign of trouble, and the real "love" of her family she deals with every day -- the scolding, the comparing her to others, etc. I think that SHE thinks she loves Lucas, but I also think she mainly buys into it because it seems to make Will happy, and she really hasn't been able to do much to please the kid in her life. JMO

[poisonivy70]

It's funny, but EJ is the reason I find myself tuning out more and more. Different strokes for different folks.

My point about Lucas expecting more from Sami is that they schemed together and were honest with each other. When he found out she kept Will's paternity from him (who had been on the other end of that) he was devestated

I'm glad you are both long timers. It makes discussing history so much easier. Hotel Hell did have a great consequence though--Jack and Sami became friends. I really liked that friendship. Too bad JER never really wrote for it.

I have the same reaction with Lucas and Sami together - just not compelling TV.

Too bad the last time Lucas and Sami were really honest with each other was so long ago...he's been betrayed many times, and so has Sami. It's been played out. But you're right - we can agree to disagree...

Jack and Sami had their special spark didn't they? Let's face it, Ali sparks with just about everybody she plays against. She's fantastic.


I guess we are never going to agree on Lucas and EJ but it's all good. I'm going to call it a night. Have a good one!

Oh year, I've been watching (most of the time) since Liz shot Marie. I don't want to figure out how long ago that was.

Have a good night :)


quirkyprof02 - great posts! I look forward to reading more....

[soapdiva]

**Covers Head**
This is JMO so do shoot me. Ok..as much as some people think that Sami and E.J. have a lot in common. Though I don't know what? EJ is just plain Evil just like Stefeno (In other words the Apple did not fall far from the tree)
While yes, I would agree Sami has done some not so nice things on her own. In Sami's defence I would like to say. She has never gone out of her way to do anything evil like Stefeno or EJ has done.
I think Lucas is the Best thing for Sami. When she is with Lucas, Sami tries to be a better person. She might not succeed, but at least she is trying.

Diva

[Thiroshag]

In my opinion the reason why sami raped austin it had noting 2 do with her eating disorder and been raped or her mum , but it had do revenge on her sister carrie, at first wen sami found out dat carrie also liked austin. She decided to not go after him. Wen she got raped, and carrie found out she told sami to take alan2 court wen she lost the case she blamed carrie for it and then decided to go after austin. This was in 1992 epi with patrick muld

[Tanyag9]

[QUOTE=poisonivy70]

Why should he expect more from Sami? She’s schemed and lied practically from the moment they met. Why would he be surprised by her actions? His surprise at it every time annoys me. She will never change because deep down, she cannot stop herself from it. She shouldn’t have to change for anyone but herself, but she’s too damaged to work that out.


I agree with you on your first point, it is rather annoying when he is so shocked. Earlier on it was ok, when he found out she lied about who was will's father, but every time it becomes less believable and more irritating.
And to me this is the sad part of the whole story- during the scenes in the church i was practiaclly about to cry. And not because of the conversations main theme, but because of the smaller issues that were barely adressed.
Sami said "You always take back your love". To EJ she says "Even though lucas will probably believe you...". To celeste she says how she thought about telling the truth, but cant do it.
So with subtle hints, what we see is a picture where sami has absolutely no confidence in Lucacs's love . There is hardly any doubt in her mind that once he finds out the truth, he will leave here again.

Im am not criticizing Lucas by saying this, it just makes me very sad how sami still has a hard time believing she can be loved. Like she said in the past- "Whe can't i make anyone love me enough to stay?" :(
Kudos for Hogan and Ali for making it all so realistic though. :)

[Tanyag9]

Okay, as you are "really off," I'm totally okay with not getting reply for some time.

I just wanted to explain my position on the whole Lucas thing. Believe me, there were times in the past when I was pulling for Lumi big-time (especially over Austin ... especially after they replaced Patrick Muldoon!). But he's been on his high-horse once too often for my accepting him with Sami anymore (especially in front of Will). I definitely like the character, and I think the actor is great, but I really just see him as "settling" for Sami, as she is for him. I see her love for him right now mainly as obligation, much like her love is for her family. I see her as being someone who doesn't know what real love is because she's had this "dream" of love that always comes crashing down on her at the first sign of trouble, and the real "love" of her family she deals with every day -- the scolding, the comparing her to others, etc. I think that SHE thinks she loves Lucas, but I also think she mainly buys into it because it seems to make Will happy, and she really hasn't been able to do much to please the kid in her life. JMO

I rather disagree that sami doesn't know what true love is. I actually think- and this is JMO after thinking of everything that had happaned to the character since she came on- that Sami, more than any other character on the show, is capable of feeling the purest most authentic love. This is because when Sami loves somone her love is the kind that she wants to have- unconditional, lasting, etc. Despite constant "betrayels" from the poeple important to her, she forgives far more easily than she is forgiven. I am talking about all the times her family told her off, embarrassed her in public, sided with her "enemies". She even forgave her father marrying a woman who sent her to death row. Or after EJ's first attempt at forcing himself on her, she forgave him very quickly. Lucas walking out on her? telling her off in front of will? forgiven. [Alot of people like to point out how much sami is forgiven for past mistakes. They tend to ignore how much forgiving she does herself.]

I am also reffering to how Sami never cheats on any man she is with. She is loyal and will be by his side until he leaves her.

Anyhow, my point is- IMO sami is very idealistic when it comes to love, she only expects unconditional love from people, because the is the kind of love she gives them.


[BTW, im sorry i messed up the quote on my last post :( ]

BTW2- this is some debate. I really enjoyed reading all your posts! Wonder what ali would think about this. LOL:p

[Twilight1]

Sami is Sami and I don't want her to fake who she is to be with some guy just because he hasn't the guts to take her for what she is.

True love involves excepting all of a person's faults and not balking at the slightest thing. Sami screws up, makes mistakes and Lucas dumps her and most of the time publicly humiliates her. That is my biggest issues with Lumi.

EJ hasn't been fully developed yet but so far he and Sami ARE 2 peas of the pod.

Oh and Hi everyone! :cool:

[Chinook]

Sami is Sami and I don't want her to fake who she is to be with some guy just because he hasn't the guts to take her for what she is.

True love involves excepting all of a person's faults and not balking at the slightest thing. Sami screws up, makes mistakes and Lucas dumps her and most of the time publicly humiliates her. That is my biggest issues with Lumi.

EJ hasn't been fully developed yet but so far he and Sami ARE 2 peas of the pod.

Oh and Hi everyone! :cool:
I agree, not to mention as of yet we dont know exactly what Ej has done, nothing has been fully revealed, but we all know what Sami has done, also whenther Sami wants to be evil or not imo doesnt matter because she always does stuff that isnt nice, she has hurt alot of people in the name of love.

If you make a list of all of Sami's wrong doings and what we are lead to believe Ej has or is doing now, Sami has done it all.

[poisonivy70]

**Covers Head**
This is JMO so do shoot me. Ok..as much as some people think that Sami and E.J. have a lot in common. Though I don't know what? EJ is just plain Evil just like Stefeno (In other words the Apple did not fall far from the tree)

Hi soapdiva :) no need to duck & cover - speaking for myself and I'm sure others - we're more than willing to listen to other's opinions, that's what makes this discussion fun. Plus, one thing we can agree on is our love of Sami and Ali. :)

Back to the discussion, I don't believe that EJ is just like Stefano, at least based on what I've seen so far from him. From what I've stated before, I certainly see there being some conflict in him and what he's doing and it's been wonderful seeing some tender feelings from him towards Sami.

I do however believe that he is very similar to Sami - they have both done horrible things in the name of family. EJ to gain his father's approval, and Sami to gain that "perfect" family she's so desperately wanted for so long. If you compare Sami's transgressions to EJ's, they are not that far off, we've simply had more time to get to know Sami and her reasons. There were many who had no sympathy for her when she came on and kidnapped Belle. She's spent much time chasing "the man of her dreams" in the hopes that it will finally give her that happy family. She's just substituted Lucas for Austin in that equation.



While yes, I would agree Sami has done some not so nice things on her own. In Sami's defence I would like to say. She has never gone out of her way to do anything evil like Stefeno or EJ has done.
I think Lucas is the Best thing for Sami. When she is with Lucas, Sami tries to be a better person. She might not succeed, but at least she is trying.

Diva


Sami has gone after that which her sister treasured most, the love of her life. She deliberately set out to trap Austin and she did some pretty reprehensible things to keep him in her life. EJ has done horrible things as well, and we're just now getting to see what makes him tick. I'm completely fascinated by him and waiting for the writers to accept that the chemistry between Ali and James is superb and should be explored.

Just in case - I don't expect an immediate relationship, or a HEA if you will for them, I simply want to continue to watch their saga unfold, because I truly believe it could harken back to the glory DAYS, when supercouples ruled. That's how strong I feel their chemistry is and how intriguing a relationship between them onscreen could be.

[aims876]

Hi everyone!!
Wow! What a fantastic debate! I have really enjoyed reading the whole thing. I would add to it, but SuperSami pretty much covered all of my thoughts on the matter, lol.
Really just wanted to jump in and say hi ... some of you may know me better as aimees76 :cool:
Worry not, for I fully intend to debate soon. Just not today because I'm tired from reading all that and I wouldn't know where to begin! LOL :p
Ok, later ladies ~~~:o

[poisonivy70]

^^ Hi aimee :) See you soon!

You agree with Super Sami? I'm shocked ;) :D Hey, we're united in our love of Ali and Sami, and that's what matters in the end....

[aims876]

Hi poison!:o
You are correct, we are definitely united in that! Ali is a fabulous actress, and I just adore her, and Sami definitely is a character you just can't help but love. (But she belongs with Lucas:p LOL)

[quirkyprof02]

I rather disagree that sami doesn't know what true love is. I actually think- and this is JMO after thinking of everything that had happaned to the character since she came on- that Sami, more than any other character on the show, is capable of feeling the purest most authentic love. This is because when Sami loves somone her love is the kind that she wants to have- unconditional, lasting, etc. Despite constant "betrayels" from the poeple important to her, she forgives far more easily than she is forgiven. I am talking about all the times her family told her off, embarrassed her in public, sided with her "enemies". She even forgave her father marrying a woman who sent her to death row. Or after EJ's first attempt at forcing himself on her, she forgave him very quickly. Lucas walking out on her? telling her off in front of will? forgiven. [Alot of people like to point out how much sami is forgiven for past mistakes. They tend to ignore how much forgiving she does herself.]

I am also reffering to how Sami never cheats on any man she is with. She is loyal and will be by his side until he leaves her.

Anyhow, my point is- IMO sami is very idealistic when it comes to love, she only expects unconditional love from people, because the is the kind of love she gives them.


[BTW, im sorry i messed up the quote on my last post :( ]

BTW2- this is some debate. I really enjoyed reading all your posts! Wonder what ali would think about this. LOL:p

I think I do agree with your point on Sami's ability to love -- I stand corrected on that. I guess what I meant was that Sami was never able to fully express her love because her family and friends never really appreciated it. I knew that it was there, and it was a lot stronger and more sincere than any other character's (probably why I like Sami the best), but it always was pushed away before it really had a chance to be appreciated. I remember recently how much she comforted Belle with the miscarriage, and Belle seemed shocked! I wasn't! But I also agree that Sami does not expect the same love in return from others. I want her to realize how empty most of her relationships are -- that she's the only one really giving. I guess that's why I'd like to see her off with a Dimera, especially a Dimera who's unburdening himself of HIS own family. JMO

[poisonivy70]

Hi poison!:o
You are correct, we are definitely united in that! Ali is a fabulous actress, and I just adore her, and Sami definitely is a character you just can't help but love. (But she belongs with Lucas:p LOL)

LOL - You are sooooo wrong about Lucas....but you revel in the wrongness and for that, I admire you :P :D
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EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI
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LOL

[aims876]

LOL - You are sooooo wrong about Lucas....but you revel in the wrongness and for that, I admire you :P :D
lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala lalalalalalalalala
EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI EJAMI
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LOL
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Ahh, it is you my friend, that is wrong about EJ... but you are commited.. I'll give you that. :p

[poisonivy70]

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LOL - what about committed??? :)

[aims876]

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LOL - what about committed??? :)


Maybe you should be commited ... AHH!! LMAO... joking:p

[Thiroshag]

I STILL THINK THAT EJ AND SAMI CAN GET TOGETHER , REMEMBER SHE AND AUSTIN DID HAVE A RELATIONSHIP AFTER SAMI DRUGGED ((REMEMBER WHEN SHE GOT THAT RAPE DRUG FROM THAT GIRL AND SLIPED IN IT IN HIS BEER , Y BECAUSE SHE WANTED AUSTIN BABY SHE THOUGHT HELL B HERS FOR EVER IF SHE JUST GOT PREGGS, HOW EJ OF HER )) AUSTIN AND then WHEN S&A WERE TOGETHER HE REALLY DID THINK HE WAS WOULD CARRIE. He pictured carrie. Sami knew what she was doing ?

[poisonivy70]

Ok, so I've seen the kisses and can I tell you how amazing James and Ali are together? Seriously smokin' hot! Love or hate them, I can't look away....they're just phenomenal....

[aims876]

Ok, so I've seen the kisses and can I tell you how amazing James and Ali are together? Seriously smokin' hot! Love or hate them, I can't look away....they're just phenomenal....
WRONG :p ... :rolleyes: I'm just teasing you, of course ... two great actors, I cannot deny. But BLAH! To the kissing .... :eek:

[poisonivy70]

I'm telling you, it was intense and it was THAT GOOD.....and that's with Sami hating him...can barely imagine what'd it be like if they were in love....goose pimples....

And - If I'm wrong, I don't EVER want to be right :lol: :D

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[nvr2muchdool]

What a great debate thread! & Poison, I agree 100%

If EJami is wrong, I want to be wrong, I want to be oh so wrong, here I am basking in my wrongness, thrilled even giddy and dancing in my wrongness!:p

[poisonivy70]

Thanks nvr! I was thinking I was here by myself. I miss my EJami friends here :) I just want Ali to know that I love her character as well as James' character and I think they're both fantastic actors!

Well, last I knew there's more kissing between them so I can't wait! Seriously though, I'd like to commend Ali in what she's bringing to the table. I can clearly see her internal conflict at what she has to do to hold onto Lucas' love. Sami continues to burrow herself deeper and deeper into this hole, but that's when Sami is at her most entertaining. The angst is palpable....kudos to her!


I still hope for the day when they can slowly work EJ and Sami together, they are such similar creatures....and yes, I'm still loving the storyline possibilities....

[Thiroshag]

You mean, the kiss of death. hehe it was suppose to put him to sleep. I wonder, if it did its job. That ej sure is beautiful even thought his suppose tooo b evil. I also love his accent Wicked. I hope his on days for a long time.

[poisonivy70]

Well, this is sort of spoilery, so I'll put it in text you can highlight if you're interested...oh and yes, EJ is beautiful. James and Ali are such a striking pair.....

Ej is supposed to kiss Sami again on Wednesday, which I am very excited about. And no, it's not at the cabin, so that just means there'll be even more kisses:D

[shakabigfoot]

LOL Kisses, woohoo! They floored me the end of US Thurdays episode. I watched it, rewound, watched it, rewound, watched it rewound it. LOL I was loving the return of the giddy highschool feeling. The hand kissing too on the eppy after...sighs...

Back on topic- So Sami is up to some evil doings again hu? I tell you EJ and Sami are SOOO similuar. They will both do anything to get what they want. They both are doing things to get their families to approve of them.

Sami will do anything to get what she wants and this time it is Lucas. Little does she know that the happily everafter perfect little dream world that she thinks exists after marriage does not exist. I fear she is in for a rude awakening. But I will be glad for it. Both EJ and Sami need to realize that they need to be true to what and who they are, not what they think their families or "loved" ones want them to be. When their walls begin to come down I believe EJAMI will be inevitable...the attraction is to strong and their minds are to much alike. Granted EJ has a bit more shades of dark and Sami has a bit more shades of light. Still, the core of their motivations is the same. (Sami meets EJ's deeds in every area just about, soon to be all.) IMO:)

My thanks to those that have been participating in this thread. It has been a good read on both sides and very entertaining. Much mahalos to my fellow Sami lovers out there.

[2005duck213]

Hey I finally got registered tonight after only about five trys. I had tried several times before and couldn't find an unused name.

About EJ and Sami:

Besides the obvious that they are both villains and both so much alike, AND, disregarding the smoking hot chemistry, TPTB would have to be absolutely crazy to ignore the classic angsty love story ala Romeo-Juliet, Scarlett-Rhett. And oh the storylines to come from having a DiMera-Brady pairing.

I do think Sami will eventually open her eyes.

[Mander]

Welcome aboard.

You know, Romeo and Juliette died and Rhett and Scarlett separated forever - unless you go by that horrible Scarlette movie.

Just a thought :)

IMO Sami's eyes already are open.

[poisonivy70]

Hey I finally got registered tonight after only about five trys. I had tried several times before and couldn't find an unused name.

About EJ and Sami:

Besides the obvious that they are both villains and both so much alike, AND, disregarding the smoking hot chemistry, TPTB would have to be absolutely crazy to ignore the classic angsty love story ala Romeo-Juliet, Scarlett-Rhett. And oh the storylines to come from having a DiMera-Brady pairing.

I do think Sami will eventually open her eyes.

Hi duckie :D Welcome aboard...

That's the fun part of those classic stories - they were amazing to read and probably wouldn't have had the same emotional impact had they lived happily ever after....

If Sami did have her eyes opened, she'd realize that being married to Lucas won't make her happy, just bored... :)

I've always believed that Sami needs a larger-than-life mate, someone who can match her star potential on the show and EJ certainly fits the bill....

I look forward to reading your posts :)

[Thiroshag]

If ej and sami were a couple. It ,would be so perfect to be honest i haven't seen an evil supercouple yet. BESIDES her loving lucas i think it away to get kate back (I dont blame sami kate rubs it in every chance she gets, has if shes a holy saint ) , i tried to watch a lumi// (the nu belle) scene sad to say, i couldnt really watch it I TRIED .Lumi have more fire when they fight. But I have seen ej and sami all romantic WOW!!! .

[poisonivy70]

Hi thiroshag :) I couldn't agree more....

I love Sami with Lucas when they're fighting, or as "frenemies" - that's when they shine IMO. Romantically, it just doesn't do it for me. Sami and EJ on the other hand, I love it when they flirt, fight, kiss, basically any way I can seen them onscreen together...

Personally, I loved the scene at the hospital when Sami was walking in to Kayla's room and EJ was coming out. It was flirty and tense and hot all at the same time. Their kiss just kept me riveted. Yes, there was that underlying menace right at the end, but it just added another intriguing dimension for me...

[shakabigfoot]

Hi thiroshag :) I couldn't agree more....

I love Sami with Lucas when they're fighting, or as "frenemies" - that's when they shine IMO. Romantically, it just doesn't do it for me. Sami and EJ on the other hand, I love it when they flirt, fight, kiss, basically any way I can seen them onscreen together...

Personally, I loved the scene at the hospital when Sami was walking in to Kayla's room and EJ was coming out. It was flirty and tense and hot all at the same time. Their kiss just kept me riveted. Yes, there was that underlying menace right at the end, but it just added another intriguing dimension for me...
First, surprise!!! LOL I happen to agree poison. ;)

I want to add to this statement: "Yes, there was that underlying menace right at the end, but it just added another intriguing dimension for me..."

Absolutly! On both sides and it is fascanting, which again brings me back on topic, their characters are so very similar. EJ is putting Sami in a position to gaurtentee what he wants. Sami is acting certain ways to put EJ in a certain position. Both to get what it is they want...and ironically it is another human being. Lucas and Will for Sami and Sami and Stefano for EJ. Their underlyining playing and manipulating each other for what the other wants is a fasanating and entrancing Tango, better yet Passo De Doble! (how in the heck do you spell that??? LOL) They circle one another always trying to one up each other all in the name of what they call love. Neither of them, I believe truly knowing what that is. For EJ it is his responcibilities and loyalties to Stefano, mistaken for love. For Sami it is the dream of being accepted by her family and the perfect ending (marriage) and the perfect family. Yet IMO neither Stefano truly loves EJ nor does Lucas OR Sami's family, TRULY and unconditionally love Sami. I know that sounds harsh but they are such fair weather family. When they think she is "good" they are all embracing; yet the second they find out that she has made mistakes or done things to get revenge or something she wants they turn their backs on her and make her the Salem leaper... True love, unconditional love works much differently. That does not mean they would say well done Sami, when she sins. BUT they would not turn on her, humiliate her, cut her down in public and basically defficate on her. Nor should EJ have to perform certain duties to insure his place with "hairy arm"! (EJAMI fans wording for Stefano now a days. cracks me up everytime I read it!)

This underlying dance of wills is a mirror. IMO and I can't take my eyes off of them in their scenes. There is SO MUCH MORE going on than just the dialog. Such a tribute to the talents of James and Ali. They are acting so much more and under the skin than the obvious. Again IMO of course.

For me it is what has me captivated. Add to that the giddy teenager I feel like in their romantic scenes...Imagine the possiblities if it wern't an act. That Sami is indeed squashing her true attraction because she KNOWS the disfavor she would take with the so called "good" people of Salem? What if it WAS a Brady/ DiMera baby...What would the characters do? What would the families do? What happens when Sami realizes that being a "good" girl isn't really what she wanted and that she is not really happy and feels unchallenged and incomplete? What happens when Sami finds out that marriage didn't solve all her problems and that maybe this so called love and with all it's conditions was truly a prison cell this whole time? What if they were to set out to discover how the whole Bardy/DiMera fued really started? (I would love to see it be something that the Brady's did that was terrible. It has always been assumed that it was started by the DiMera's, but what if it wasn't? Imagine how that would shake up things? This is just something I personally would like to see) In the end bringing peace and allowing for new storylines and enemies to comeforth...Moving Days in a new direction. After a few years of course, I mean it IS a soap! LMAO

I could go on for a long time. But I am getting off track again. As the EJAMI fans have seen and said since the begining. There are just SO MANY potential storylines and we feel like giddy teenagers in their love scenes (thus how the saying EJAMI FEVER was born, our friggin TV's were exploding into flames this last summer. Maybe the lack of EJAMI Fever has been a good thing. It has given us more time on our invention of the fire proof TV!)...Most of us not feeling that feeling for a very long time. You can't blame us for falling for what could be and how we feel when watching James and Ali's scenes. I also feel that a big devide is the way we want to see the character of Sami play out. But one thing is for sure, we ALL adore Ali and her work for Days. She has won us all over with her portrayal of Sami and I am proud to call her my favorite actress, regardless of what the future holds. As long as I get to watch my Sami! :o

[shakabigfoot]

Hi everyone!!
Wow! What a fantastic debate! I have really enjoyed reading the whole thing. I would add to it, but SuperSami pretty much covered all of my thoughts on the matter, lol.
Really just wanted to jump in and say hi ... some of you may know me better as aimees76 :cool:
Worry not, for I fully intend to debate soon. Just not today because I'm tired from reading all that and I wouldn't know where to begin! LOL :p
Ok, later ladies ~~~:o
A very belated HEY AIMEES!!!!!! What sup girlfriend! So happy to see you here, you wicked Lumi Lover! (Joke between Aimee and I, don't worry...I WUB my sista!)

I was just rereading the thread because I really have found it a great read. You know I have been working my tushy off and haven't been around to chat much but to pop in and then leave. Been missing you my Lumi friend!!! Next time I am on NBC I must stop in to the Lumi thread to chat with ya. It is 12:45 am on what is my Friday night and I am still trying to unwind from my 12 hour day. At least I actually get to sleep in tomorrow! Alas I have much to do at home...But I am really considering just having a very lazy day. If I can actually give myself permission for that. But I am deffinatly going to sleep in! I miss you sweetie and I hope all is well with you.

Lots o' Love!
Shaka


P.S. You are the wrongest of the wrongs of ALL the wrongs that live in Wrongsville! :p :D {big cyber hugs}

[shakabigfoot]

[QUOTE=poisonivy70]

Why should he expect more from Sami? She’s schemed and lied practically from the moment they met. Why would he be surprised by her actions? His surprise at it every time annoys me. She will never change because deep down, she cannot stop herself from it. She shouldn’t have to change for anyone but herself, but she’s too damaged to work that out.


I agree with you on your first point, it is rather annoying when he is so shocked. Earlier on it was ok, when he found out she lied about who was will's father, but every time it becomes less believable and more irritating.
And to me this is the sad part of the whole story- during the scenes in the church i was practiaclly about to cry. And not because of the conversations main theme, but because of the smaller issues that were barely adressed.
Sami said "You always take back your love". To EJ she says "Even though lucas will probably believe you...". To celeste she says how she thought about telling the truth, but cant do it.
So with subtle hints, what we see is a picture where sami has absolutely no confidence in Lucacs's love . There is hardly any doubt in her mind that once he finds out the truth, he will leave here again.

Im am not criticizing Lucas by saying this, it just makes me very sad how sami still has a hard time believing she can be loved. Like she said in the past- "Whe can't i make anyone love me enough to stay?" :(
Kudos for Hogan and Ali for making it all so realistic though. :)

Also very late is saying, I LOVED YOUR POST! Very thought provoking and I believe you are spot on about Sami and her capasity to love.

[Twilight1]

Personally, I like any variation for characters personalities, the good & the bad. The fierce and the cruel and caring and the sweet. I think what is so great about Alison working with James is that she gets to showcase everything. The good the bad and the ugly. Not many actors/ actresses get that kind of opportunity and Alison can do it all. I am enjoying this sl. (This and the Chick one are the 2 I love right now)

Sami is acting VERY Dimera like- They have a rough side and a sweet side so yes I think her and EJ are more better suited than Sami and Lucas.

[shakabigfoot]

Personally, I like any variation for characters personalities, the good & the bad. The fierce and the cruel and caring and the sweet. I think what is so great about Alison working with James is that she gets to showcase everything. The good the bad and the ugly. Not many actors/ actresses get that kind of opportunity and Alison can do it all. I am enjoying this sl. (This and the Chick one are the 2 I love right now)

Sami is acting VERY Dimera like- They have a rough side and a sweet side so yes I think her and EJ are more better suited than Sami and Lucas.
Love having Twilight in da house!!! So great to have you over here to share your Ali amore! :D I know that a bunch of Ali fans are headed this way...If they can come up with a screen name that isn't taken that is. :eek: We lucked out with our names hu babe? :p

Any lurkers out there? Come on in and post with us. Plus Ali does read in here and is answering her fans questions! Here is your oppertunity...In fact I saw she answered a couple more today. Woot WOOT go Ali fans, get your grove on! (*Shaka flashes her cheesey smile*)

[poisonivy70]

yay - love to see your post Shaka - you are right on target about the things Ej has done and the fact that Sami can do the same thing. It does feel like they're still dancing....and I can't stop watching :)

[poisonivy70]

Personally, I like any variation for characters personalities, the good & the bad. The fierce and the cruel and caring and the sweet. I think what is so great about Alison working with James is that she gets to showcase everything. The good the bad and the ugly. Not many actors/ actresses get that kind of opportunity and Alison can do it all. I am enjoying this sl. (This and the Chick one are the 2 I love right now)

Sami is acting VERY Dimera like- They have a rough side and a sweet side so yes I think her and EJ are more better suited than Sami and Lucas.

HI Twi :) ICAM - it really is the main reason I've liked Sami all these years.....being able to see all the facets of her personality has been great...

[Glamour_girl]

I HopE SaMi dOeSnt ReaLLy KilL Ej.!!

[aims876]

LMAO shaka, tell us how you really feel, don't be shy!
Twi, I don't think Sami is acting Dimera-like at all, because she is conflicted. Sami experiences remorse and fear and anxiety. The Dimera's do not. I think that is a vital difference.

tons-o-huggs to my sista shaka! I miss you, too, girl!
Be on the look-out for my poor, misguided, ejami-loving cousin .. I sent her to forbidden for y'all .. she's staying with me temporarily, and even though I threatened to kick her out if she breathed a word about ejami (j/k:p ) she persisted, so I sent her to people that want to hear about it, LOL. I'M joking of course, but she and I did have some spirited discussions already this weekend!

[shakabigfoot]

LMAO shaka, tell us how you really feel, don't be shy!
Twi, I don't think Sami is acting Dimera-like at all, because she is conflicted. Sami experiences remorse and fear and anxiety. The Dimera's do not. I think that is a vital difference.

tons-o-huggs to my sista shaka! I miss you, too, girl!
Be on the look-out for my poor, misguided, ejami-loving cousin .. I sent her to forbidden for y'all .. she's staying with me temporarily, and even though I threatened to kick her out if she breathed a word about ejami (j/k:p ) she persisted, so I sent her to people that want to hear about it, LOL. I'M joking of course, but she and I did have some spirited discussions already this weekend!
Hey! Ya, I found your cousin. She said that you had pointed her over our way in a post in the thread about how people found the site. Thanks sweetie, we will take good care of her. I am off to go and post to her. Let her know that she has a protector in me! :)

Talk to you soon Aimee. Don't have time to debate right not so I will just send you my love and see you around.

[Mander]

Well,aims at least one of you is sain. That means there's hope for your cousin! ;)

I agree about the anxiety, fear, remorse etc. I also think that's a vital difference. Sami has a conscience and I still maintain my stance that Sami has never been a true "villainess" she just operates on the wrong side of the cracks. No that's not like slightly pregnant or sorta dead.

[Thiroshag]

Hi ivy glad to know im not the only ejam fan @ ally boards yahhhhh!!

[shakabigfoot]

Hi ivy glad to know im not the only ejam fan @ ally boards yahhhhh!!

No worries Thiro there are quite a few of us.:cool: We swing by when we can.

[poisonivy70]

Hey Shaka baby! Had to pop in and show my love for Ali and Sami :)

Ok, just by my definition, Sami has always been the villainess....again, not a disparaging remark, simply honest. To me, villains are the fictional characters who do evil deliberately and work against the hero. Sami has spent many many years stirring up trouble and doing bad things deliberately to get her own way, usually against Austin or her sister Carrie who was clearly portrayed as the heroine on the show. Other things she's done have also been evil, but mighty interesting..

I understand why she does it, but it doesn't change what she is....

Love her layers, love figuring out what's going on in her head, but she's a villainess. She feels remorse when she gets caught, or when she knows she's going to get caught, but if she could get away with it, she would justify it and go on. She sets things in motion, she's a proactive character and that's why I've always loved her. I hate when she's in "good" mode.

With the events of the past few weeks, I can see their similarities more and more....I'm just waiting to see what happens next...

[shakabigfoot]

Hey Shaka baby! Had to pop in and show my love for Ali and Sami :)

Ok, just by my definition, Sami has always been the villainess....again, not a disparaging remark, simply honest. To me, villains are the fictional characters who do evil deliberately and work against the hero. Sami has spent many many years stirring up trouble and doing bad things deliberately to get her own way, usually against Austin or her sister Carrie who was clearly portrayed as the heroine on the show. Other things she's done have also been evil, but mighty interesting..

I understand why she does it, but it doesn't change what she is....

Love her layers, love figuring out what's going on in her head, but she's a villainess. She feels remorse when she gets caught, or when she knows she's going to get caught, but if she could get away with it, she would justify it and go on. She sets things in motion, she's a proactive character and that's why I've always loved her. I hate when she's in "good" mode.

With the events of the past few weeks, I can see their similarities more and more....I'm just waiting to see what happens next...

Standing ovation from Shakabigfoot!!!! Bravo! BRAVO!!!


(LMAO can you tell I agree and that has always been my opinion as well? As I have said in posts before. The ONLY time I really see Sami feel bad is whe she is about to get caught. Or when she has put peoples life at risk, such as Lexie and the breast cancer scare and she never came out with it..She just felt guilt...A rare thing for Sami. But other than that? All is fair in love and war. Now she has even come to attempted cold blooded murder...Just to get what she wants. See thread about sami will do anything for more on the subject. lol)